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Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by amelius on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:25AM (#45448748)
> It's like letting a small child drive a car.

Bad example, because FSD cars are here.

Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by HarHarVeryFunny on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:18AM (#45449238)
Yeah, and Tesla cross-country FSD just crashed after 60 miles, and Tesla RoboTaxi had multiple accidents within first few days.

Other companies like Wayno seem to do better, but in general I wouldn't hold up self-driving cars as an example of how great AI is, and in any case calling it all "AI" is obscuring the fact that LLMs and FSD are completely different technologies.

In fact, until last year Tesla FSD wasn't even AI - the driving component was C++ and only the vision system was a neural net (with that being object recognition - convolutional neural net, not a Transformer).

Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by donatj on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:31AM (#45448794)
Find me an FSD that can drive in non-Californian real world situations. A foot of snow, black ice, a sand drift.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by gamerDude on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:41AM (#45448880)
Well Waymo is coming to Denver, so it's about to get tested in some more difficult conditions.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by skybrian on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:46AM (#45448933)
Not sure it matters. There’s plenty of economic value in selling rides in places with good weather.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by tbrownaw on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:48AM (#45448961)
I am not in California, and those are not standard road conditions here.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by weregiraffe on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:37AM (#45449440)
>A foot of snow, black ice, a sand drift.

What else, a meter of lava flow? Forest fire? Tsunami? Tornado? How about pick conditions where humans actually can drive.

Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by ModernMech on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:50AM (#45450406)
Snow (maybe not a foot but enough to at least cover the lane markings), black ice and sand drifts people experience every day in the normal course of driving, so it's reasonable to expect driverless cars to be able to handle them. Forest fires, tsunamis, lava flows, and tornados are weather emergencies. I think it's a little more reasonable to not have expectations for driverless cars in those situations.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by throaway1988 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:19AM (#45449946)
he’s describing conditions that exist for every area in the world that actually experiences winter!
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by sejje on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:45AM (#45450323)
Most places clear the driving surface instead of leaving a foot of snow.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by throaway1988 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @12:15PM (#45451671)
More like the whole world is covered with snow and they clear enough for you to drive on.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by reaperducer on Thursday October 02, 2025 @11:31AM (#45451057)
Guess who we know you've never lived in a place where it snows.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by donatj on Thursday October 02, 2025 @03:23PM (#45454201)
Eventually. I live in Minnesota and it can take until noon or later after a big snow for all the small roads to get cleared.
Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by reaperducer on Thursday October 02, 2025 @11:28AM (#45451018)
Humans do drive when there's tornadoes. I can't count the hundreds of videos I've seen on TV over the decades of people driving home from work and seeing a tornado.

I notice you conveniently left off "foot of snow" from your critique. Something that is perfectly ordinary "condition where humans actually drive."

Many years, millions of Americans evacuate ahead of hurricanes. Does that not count?

I, and hundreds of thousands of other people, have lived in places where sand drifts across roads are a thing. Also, sandstorms, dense fog, snert, ice storms, dust devils, and hundreds of other conditions in which "humans actually can [and do] drive."

FSD is like AI: Picking the low-hanging fruit and calling it a "win."

Re:How the AI Bubble Will Pop by vbarrielle on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:09AM (#45449153)
Bad counter-example, because FSD has nothing in common with LLMs.