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Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:47AM (#45361994)
There should not be conflicting narratives on the press about things like if the COVID vaccines work or not, or if the disease kills people or not. Or if the world is warming.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by 0xDEAFBEAD on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:14PM (#45362444)
Interesting. But how should we determine which narrative is correct, and whether conflict should be allowed? Perhaps some sort of "Ministry of Truth" in the federal government could do the job?
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by dcow on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:56AM (#45362158)
Why not? Two reasonable people can disagree about the cause of some complex issue even without the media.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:23PM (#45362566)
When one side has to ignore all of science, that has build Western society and allowed it to live in unnaturally dense populations with unnatural life spans, that is not disagreeing on cause. That has driften to theological/emotional belief in something. Keep those out of news.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:30PM (#45362669)
Because there is no real doubt about those.

If some media comes disagreeing, they are blatantly lying. Also, there should not be diverging narratives about whether if you jump off a cliff, you will fall.

Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by dekhn on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:35PM (#45362749)
there is more scientific doubt about the true effectiveness of COVID vaccines than you think.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @01:42PM (#45363594)
Do you have any study that found any of the 3 western ones ineffective?

The effect is so strong and universal that everybody finds it.

Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by dekhn on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @02:39PM (#45364342)
No, I don't really argue about individual studies with individuals on the internet. What I'm describing is the current consensus opinion of the larger medical and research community.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by snickerbockers on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:51PM (#45362958)
>like if the COVID vaccines work or not

Okay, if there is any such thing as objective truth then this (by which i mean your statement that there should not be conflicting narratives, not the statement about the vaccine itself) is objectively false.

The COVID vaccines were pressed into widespread public distribution on an emergency use authorization; any other newly-developed vaccine would have spent years mired in clinical trials and debate. The first COVID vaccines deployed would have taken even longer because they were also the first mRNA vaccines. There was not by any means a consensus that they were safe or effective, only that the risk was justifiable in light of a sudden global health crises.

Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by throwaway894345 on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @01:31PM (#45363454)
In a free country, people can publish whatever nonsense they want.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @01:43PM (#45363609)
In a healthy society the professional media shouldn't be composed of lying crackpots.
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by throwaway894345 on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @04:38PM (#45365680)
Is there any “healthy society” that prohibits lying in the media?
Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @10:34PM (#45368687)
Plenty of them had the government following the money that pays for all the gifting and arresting the fraudsters, yes. Lying for the love of the sport isn't a crime, for deluding a society into giving you money and power is.

And also have a diversified professional media, so that the money leaves a track.

Re:That Secret Service SIM farm story is bogus by throwaway894345 on Thursday September 25, 2025 @05:28PM (#45379363)
I don't even know what what a media organization "lying for deluding society into giving [the media organization] money and power" refers to or what kind of criminal codes might exist against it.