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Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by latexr on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @07:45AM (#45345630)
Statistics without context can be misleading. It’s reasonable to assume that the cause is the prior situation which lead to it, not the act itself.

Picture two scenarios:

1. A loving unmarried couple, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or child bearing, lives in an affluent neighbourhood, in a rich country, have steady incomes, and decide to have a child. After ten years they decide “I love you so much. I don’t need a piece of paper to prove that, but let’s get married. It’ll be a great opportunity to connect our friends and family, and it’ll give us some legal and financial protection when one of us dies”.

2. In a poor neighbourhood, a woman who was mistreated all her life marries her high school sweetheart, who turn out to be abusive. He not only beats her, he rapes her regularly. Like too many victims of domestic violence, she’s afraid to move away. Eventually she becomes pregnant and has the child against her will.

Which of those do would produce the better outcome?

Being fatherless isn’t in itself the issue, but everything which came before to reach that point might be. There is a huge difference between not having a father because he abandoned you, or because he died, or because your mother as a single affluent woman with the means to do so decided to do in-vitro fertilisation.

I highly recommend “New Family Values”, by Andrew Solomon, to get a feeling for the different types of families which work. It goes way beyond “one mother, one father, married”.

https://andrewsolomon.com/books/new-family-values-audiobook/

Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by programmarchy on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:05AM (#45345806)
An analogy

Statement: Statistically, seatbelts reduce the chances you’ll die in a car accident.

You: But, what if your car crashes into a lake and you get trapped underwater?

Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by darkwater on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @09:27AM (#45346729)
Wait, what? An analogy to your not-a-correct-analogy:

Statement: Statistically, richer people die less in a car accident.

You (or GP): get rich and survive car accidents!

Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by mainecoder on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @10:57AM (#45347989)
Proof by analogy is fraud" - Bjarne Stroustrup Yes; page 692 of TC++PL. A good analogy is an excellent way of illustrating an idea, but far too often such analogies are not accompanied by solid reasoning, data, etc
Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by latexr on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @12:00PM (#45348888)
Analogies are seldom perfect but they are often useful. They help to illustrate a point. The world is not a programming language and most things can’t be ascertained by mathematical proofs.

But all that is irrelevant because what I posted above wasn’t an analogy. It was… A thought experiment? A purposefully exaggerated example? Anyway, not an analogy. Analogies compare two different things via a third thing they have in common, but here I used examples which are directly related to the subject matter. The point was to make it clear, via extreme but realistic examples, that correlation does not imply causation.

Re:9 Things I Learned in 90 Years – From the Creator of Choo... by triceratops on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @04:17PM (#45352221)
You're responding to an example not an analogy.