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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday September 18, 2025 @09:49PM (#45297122)
It's not at all unverifiable. There is a lot known about the Egyptian government's internal deliberations at the time, such as the fact that they feared Israel was planning to imminently attack Syria.

> Taking this to the extreme, if Russia launched a silo of ICBMs targeting DC

Your analogy has already gone off the rails, because Israel held massive military superiority over Egypt. The Americans and the Israelis both knew that Israel would rapidly win any war with Egypt.

The military escalation that preceded the 1967 war was triggered by Israel's own attack on Egypt in November 1966. Israel was pursuing an extremely aggressive foreign policy. It took actions that caused a massive increase in tensions, but then claimed those actions gave it the right to launch a preemptive war (though actually, when the war broke out, the Israeli government just chose to lie and claim that Egypt had attacked Israel first).

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dlubarov on Friday September 19, 2025 @11:32AM (#45302754)
> The Americans and the Israelis both knew that Israel would rapidly win any war with Egypt.

I don't think that's accurate, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the discussion anyway. The point was just that the instigator of a war isn't necessarily the side that technically fires the first munition.

> Israel's own attack on Egypt in November 1966

What do you mean? There was no Israeli attack on Egypt at that time.

> then claimed those actions gave it the right to launch a preemptive war

Not sure what you mean. Israel's justification was the naval blockade and Egypt's apparent preparations for an invasion, nothing else.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by DiogenesKynikos on Friday September 19, 2025 @03:35PM (#45305533)
>I don't think that's accurate

It is accurate. There are many declassified documents from the time that discuss Israeli vs. Arab military capabilities. They come to the conclusion that the Israelis enjoyed massive superiority. Here's one [0]:

“The judgment of the intelligence community is that Israeli ground forces 'can maintain internal security, defend successfully against simultaneous Arab attacks on all fronts, launch limited attacks simultaneously on all fronts, or hold on any three fronts while mounting successfully a major offensive on the fourth.'”

Here's another [1]:

“They would try to destroy the Egyptian airforce first and thus gain ability for a tank strike to take Sinai and the Straits. Secretary McNamara said the Israelis think they can win in 3–4 days; but he thinks it would be longer—7 to 10 days.”

> What do you mean? There was no Israeli attack on Egypt at that time.

I mistyped. Israel attacked Jordan in November 1966.

> Israel's justification was the naval blockade and Egypt's apparent preparations for an invasion, nothing else.

Israel actually cycled through a number of different justifications. Their initial justification was just a pure lie: they claimed that Egypt had attacked first.

0. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19...

1. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19...

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dlubarov on Friday September 19, 2025 @03:48PM (#45305708)
The theory that Israel could make up for its massive numerical disadvantages with some better training, tactics and morale, with some caveats ("If this assumption should prove wrong, Israel might well be in trouble ..."), doesn't really match your claim that "Israel held massive military superiority over Egypt".
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by DiogenesKynikos on Sunday September 21, 2025 @02:31AM (#45320543)
You're not reading what they're writing. They all were predicting a rapid Israeli victory, within mere days. They believed that Israel could take on all the Arab states at once and still win.

If you want a more colloquial version of the US assessment, this is what Lyndon Johnson told the Israelis before the war (paraphrased in the official US diplomatic records):

“The US assessment does not agree with that of the Israelis: our best judgment is that no military attack on Israel is imminent, and, moreover, if Israel is attacked, our judgment is that the Israelis would lick them.”

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19...