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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @08:25AM (#45275011)

  > Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right?
So you declare genocide by the amount of people killed? Fine, if Israel were to kill 1200 people every four days, like Hamas did in October 2023, then we'd have far more than the current death toll. Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide.

It should also be noted that most of Hamas's murders in October 2023 were on that first day, further bolstering my claim. And they did not target military leaders, warning away civilians like Israel does. Instead, the pulled babies from wombs and burned babies alive.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by toast0 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @11:55AM (#45277377)
> Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide.

Genocide requires intent and deeds. I think it's reasonable to consider the attacks of October 2023 to be genocide. The intent is clear from their founding statements, and the deeds likely qualify as well.

However, I also think it's reasonable to consider the ongoing war in Gaza to be genocide as well. The statements from officials waver but are often genocidal in nature, and the destruction and loss of life is too.

It's not a contest, both genocides are bad. But using one to justify the other doesn't make the second one better.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:01PM (#45277477)
The Israeli side could only be accused of genocide by a very unfavorable interpretation of those statements, which are infrequent and contradicted by clear civilian warnings on the ground.

Contrast that with the frequent genocidal declarations made by the Hamas and other Muslim entities against the Jews, which themselves are confirmed by their actions on the ground.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by hvb2 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @09:41AM (#45275738)
> Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide.

Sure, but they're not. Israel however? I think there is compelling evidence that it is being given the chance and taking the world up on it.

Again, no one is justifying what Hamas did.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:05PM (#45277568)
But they are. They are at the forefront of a multi pronged effort to delegitimize the Jewish state.

Do you need for me to spell out how that would be genocide for the Jews, or are you at least familiar enough with the Middle East for that to be clear?

Be there no mistake, even if Hamas wins that does not mean peace. Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies are waiting to pour into the holy land, those Shiites will do the Sunni Hamas exactly what Hamas had done to the Jews. And Hamas knows this.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by hvb2 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:23PM (#45280265)
Please do spell out the end game. It looks like Hamas is currently reduced to a guerilla operation. They won't be eradicated but how they're close to winning is beyond me.

I still don't understand how you can be worried about one side committing genocide if you're okay with the other side doing it.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @07:10PM (#45282540)
I'm far less worried that Hamas will genocide the Jews today and then I was 2 years ago. That said, my concerns about other Arab and Muslim entities genociding the Jews have not been alleviated. As for Gaza, my concern, and most other Israelis' concern, is the return of the hostages. Once those hostages are returned, this war will end.