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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by somenameforme on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @05:09AM (#45273535)
Like with Manifest Destiny the problem comes when the area you want to decide to call your own already has people living there. I'd also add that there is no sort of human right to having your own homogeneous country. Most countries in the world have large sects of the population that would like to form their own autonomous states, many with populations substantially larger than that which initially carved out Israel for themselves. Unfortunately we live on a planet in which most of all land that's remotely habitable has been claimed by somebody.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by adastra22 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @05:14AM (#45273556)
Israel isn't a homogenous country. It is majority jewish, but there are large minorities of Arabs, Druze, levant Christians, etc. These minorities--just under 30% of the population--hold full citizenship and have the same civil rights as any other Israeli.

Zionism is a desire to have a majority-jewish state that is strong enough to protect jews from future pogroms. It is not a quest for a homogenous state.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by darick on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:20AM (#45273965)
Yes, and surely these minorities are not treated like second class citizens? What's that? "A 2018 report by the Israeli State Comptroller on the protection of non-Jewish civilians found that 46% of Arab citizens in Israel lack access to adequate shelters, compared to 26% of the general population" In the context of bomb shelters.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @08:41AM (#45275155)
Because individual municipalities are the ones who build the bomb shelters, and the Arab municipalities put no effort in that direction.

And before you declare that the existence of Arab municipalities make Israel an apartheid state, all Israeli cities are mixed.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by linehedonist on Thursday September 18, 2025 @01:11AM (#45285667)
If all Israeli cities are mixed, then what is an Arab municipality? What point exactly are you trying to make?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Thursday September 18, 2025 @04:03AM (#45286875)
Arab villages. Villages that start off with Arab inhabitants do not allow Jews to rent or buy property there. It's not a problem. But it makes these villages Arab only.

Likewise, there are Jewish villages. Few of these have Arab inhabitants, but it is not forbidden for them to move in.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by natch on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @09:17AM (#45275489)
You are sharing a warped view of reality. There were already jews living there when arabs decided to start a war against them in 1948. After the arabs lost the war, they were urged to leave by their own arab leaders, and many of them did. At which point, some more land fortunately became available for the targets of the initial violent war who won the war. This is pretty normal when you start a war and lose it; you might lose something like your land or your life. BTW the land is literally called Judea. If people are living there alongside the jews for whom it is an ancestral homeland, and then those people leave after getting violent and losing a war, that was their right to leave but you don't have to blame the jews for the arabs' decision to start a war. Also this starting of violent conflicts is a recurring pattern initiated by one side. It's been happening since way before 1948. There used to be millions of jews in other middle east countries and there has been targeted violence by certain people driving them back to their homeland for many decades before 1948.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @10:13AM (#45276093)
I love the phrase "became available" in this paragraph
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by therobots927 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @02:06PM (#45279246)
You’re witnessing extreme levels of cognitive dissonance. This individual isn’t trying to convince anyone. They’re trying to convince themselves. Benign phrasing to avoid calling it a land grab is clear evidence of this in action.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by natch on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:14PM (#45282017)
Okay… "land grab" works too. Grabbing back those parts of their ancestral homeland that were abandoned by the aggressors.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Thursday September 18, 2025 @10:39AM (#45290291)
when does history stop?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by natch on Friday September 19, 2025 @07:07PM (#45307861)
This chapter will stop when the hostages are returned and Hamas is defeated.