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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by hyperman1 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:28AM (#45272885)
I find this a strange take, and I hear it a lot from inhabitants of both the USA and Israel about their leadership.

For better or worse, Netanyahu represents the Israeli governement, which represents Israel. Similar with Trump and the USA, or Putin and Russia. Sorry for the people who don't agree with them, but that's an internal power struggle, and as an outsider it is normal to abstract that away. For all of us: Your country is doing what it does.

As a Belgian, I spit on my idiotic, nasty governements. Insert tiny violin, whatever Belgium does on the international forum, I'll still be tarred with it. Similarly, we talk about Germany's role in world war 2, even if only about 10% of them were associated with the NSDAP.

Every power struggle is always represented overly simplistic. Sorry for both the jews and Israëli's who don't agree with it, you're probably good people. This time I am lucky to sit at a very comfortable sideline, criticising your country. But the point stands: Israel is correctly described as officially committing a genocide, and hence it can't be described as the good side.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:46AM (#45273035)
Yet the only basis they have of the claim of genocide is a heavy journalistic trend to exaggerate Arab suffering in this war, and a selection of government official quotes which are interpreted in the worst way possible.

The journalistic actions are beyond reprehensible - they are responsible for the deaths of so many children by encouraging Hamas to ensure child deaths. This is not some theory, if you speak Arabic go read the Gaza telegram channels. They're not shy about it.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by SalmoShalazar on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @05:29AM (#45273642)
The evidence of Israel’s genocide is plain to see. Israel is directly responsible for the systematic murder of countless civilians, a disgusting portion of which are children. What you are doing with this comment is attempting to shift the blame and responsibility in a transparent and gross manner. The journalists are not the problem, the people dropping the bombs every day are.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by lupusreal on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:18AM (#45273953)
You are denying the most well documented genocide in human history. Bad look my dude.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:14PM (#45277729)
You keep posting this, so I'll just copy and paste my previous reply as well.

No, I'm speaking about the most oft repeated lie about genocide.

Go look at who authored this report. It is not "Top Legal Investigators" as the title states. And just read the report itself.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by lupusreal on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:26PM (#45277944)
I'll repeat what I told you then, if you continue to deny this ongoing genocide despite the mountains of evidence, then you are complicit.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:31PM (#45278843)
What evidence? The only evidence that I see is statements by Israeli officials that are deliberately being taken in the most unfavorable terms. Even worse statements by Arab politicians are not taken so unfavorably.

Furthermore, Israeli actions on the ground clearly demonstrate our efforts to protect civilians. Clear among them are the warnings to civilians to evacuate structures before they are destroyed.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by lupusreal on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @02:02PM (#45279200)
You've got your head buried so deep its a wonder the magma hasn't cooked you.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @10:32AM (#45276306)
wait journalists are responsible for dead children because they mention the dead children which encourages people to put children in a position where people have to shoot them but the people shooting the children aren't?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:13PM (#45277714)
Yes. That is exactly what happens. Hamas, and many journalists, have specifically said this.

It is incredulous to you and I because our culture would never support such a thing. I implore you to look at the Arabic channels that Hamas and the other Islamic bodies publish.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:20PM (#45278684)
but, and I'm only asking this a second time for confirmation, the people who point the guns at the children and pull the trigger did not kill the children? they bear no responsibility?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:29PM (#45278804)
Let's be clear, Israel is not pointing guns at children and pulling the trigger. After October 2023, Israel has pretty much stopped protecting human shields. Before October 2023, Israel would hold fire when Hamas were hiding behind their populations' children. This is extremely well documented and I encourage you to research it. After October 2023, we have stopped protecting the human shields. This is because our own children, our babies, and our brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers, are being held in Gaza. How long can we be expected to continue protecting their children at the expense of our own?

It should be also noted, and this is extremely well documented, that between 1/3 and 1/5 of all Hamas rockets fall back into the Gaza strip. That is an extraordinarily dense urban area, and all those injuries are blamed on Israel. Culturally, it makes sense for Arab media to report them as "killed in a war with Israel". But Western media then translates and reports that as "killed by Israel".

This is not some conspiracy theory the Arabs status very clearly. I highly suggest that you go through the Arabic Telegram channels. I personally speak Arabic, but if you don't then Telegram has a built-in translation feature anyway. Or go through any other Arab media, it's all over the place.

If you don't want to see children getting hurt, then stop protecting and encouraging Hamas.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:36PM (#45278897)
What does "protecting the human shields" mean in a practical sense? That's clearly a euphemism. Describe what it means in a literal, blow by blow sense. Who are the human shields? What does it mean to protect them? What does it mean to stop protecting them?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @09:38PM (#45283902)
It means that Hamas stores and fires rockets, sniper fire, anti-tank fire, and other weapons from hospitals, schools, residential areas, and other civilian infrastructure.

It means that Hamas has children stand guard around rocket launchers. As far back as a decade ago, when this started becoming more and more common, I saved a video of a Hamas rocket fuse failing, killing the children guarding it. That was quite when I started taking more of an interest in what is going on over there.

The human shields are Gazan citizens - many of which are themselves happy to die "for the resistance" thanks to UNRWA education. This I have been told at least twice by Gazans face to face, and dozens of times online. Yes, I know Gazans and I speak with them online in Arabic. I suffer a lot of abuse, I have a thick skin (I laugh that I'm divorced, you can't insult me more than my ex).

There is no euphemism. These are real people risking their lives - and sometimes loosing - to protect military equipment designed to exterminate Jews. That is not a euphemism either - even the Gazans who work in Israel clearly state that all Gazans would happily kill any Jew. Just a few weeks before the October attacks I was having a conversation, pleasant and civil, and the guy tells me "without your weapons the Arabs would trample you" - I was unsure if he was threatening me. Just a few weeks after that they overran the Kibbutz where I until recently worked, and killed over 10% of the population. That is literal, biblical, decimation.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ratelimitsteve on Thursday September 18, 2025 @09:20AM (#45289354)
Your desperate bid to respond without actually answering the question is the answer. You're simultaneously trying to justify it without admitting that it happened in the first place.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Saturday September 20, 2025 @02:45AM (#45311038)
Then I don't understand the question. Could you please repeat it? It looks to me like I answered the question posed in the comment I replied to.