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Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by senkora on Monday September 15, 2025 @11:28AM (#45250855)
Yeah, this seems reasonable to me. The better thing to get annoyed at Apple for is being slow to implement web standards. I guess you could make the argument that they are choosing to work on stuff like this instead, but I think that’s a weak argument.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by reaperducer on Monday September 15, 2025 @01:34PM (#45252583)
The better thing to get annoyed at Apple for is being slow to implement web standards.

Now that Safari supports the HTML5 date picker (since iOS 14.1 - five years ago), this is more of a meme than fact-based reasoning. Unless you believe Google including something in Chrome automatically makes it a "standard."

I have a list (unfortunately on a device I can't access now) of web standards that are supported on Safari and Firefox, but not on Chrome. I need it because one web site I work on is 100% Safari users (about 800 people), and another is mostly Android (about 70%). So I need a cheat sheet of which does what.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Monday September 15, 2025 @02:29PM (#45253289)
>>The better thing to get annoyed at Apple for is being slow to implement web standards.

>Now that Safari supports the HTML5 date picker (since iOS 14.1 - five years ago), this is more of a meme than fact-based reasoning

Apple forces all browsers on iOS to use the Safari browser engine, which they intentionally hobble by not implementing APIs that other browser engines have had forever so that Apple can force developers to create native apps for iOS which Apple then can extract 30% (or whatever they decide it is today) revenue from, where they can't do that from a web application. This is one of many reasons Apple is being sued by the DOJ for antitrust violations, and one reason they got sued by the EU and lost.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Monday September 15, 2025 @03:17PM (#45253812)
Maybe 5 years ago this was a true, they accelerated development and their standards support is pretty good now, better than FF. Again, not counting Chrome's "EEE" non-standard API's, they largely move fast and implement most modern ones. Some PWA stuff is missing which is valid, while Chrome is behind on a few nice design-focused standards Safari has.

Go here:

https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+143,safari+26.0&compareC...

Note the non-supported Safari API's, the vast majority are not web standards.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Monday September 15, 2025 @07:36PM (#45256259)
Maybe you should read the DOJ suit against Apple. It's pretty clear that one reason (among many) that Apple is getting sued is because of abusive business practices exactly as I described.

Apple forcing Safari on iOS is present day, today, not 5 years ago (but it was also 5 years ago too, ever since there was an iOS webview). If Apple doesn't want to implement it, then they shouldn't force other browser makers to use their hobbled browser engine.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @01:43AM (#45258435)
So you’re ignoring my entire comment and re-iterating the part I didn’t respond to.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @01:00PM (#45264852)
Nothing in your comment makes any difference so long as Apple blocks other browser engines on iOS. I honestly don't give a fuck what they do with Safari as long as they allow real Chrome to exist on iOS, which I can then instruct my users to install because Safari is a piece of shit browser.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @03:11PM (#45266555)
Safari is better than Chrome imo, technically, UX and otherwise, but you're entitled to be mad about lock-in. I just wasn't responding to that part.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:42PM (#45278193)
technically?? With all those modern and useful APIs they don't implement? That's how they're technically better by not having useful tech? Wow. Okay, you do you.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Thursday September 18, 2025 @09:28AM (#45289451)
I linked to my source, I think you haven’t updated your priors in >5 years or so.
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Thursday September 18, 2025 @12:27PM (#45291641)
Apple sez: We don't want to implement any of those APIs, and we forbid you to use a browser that implements them, because reasons.

Your comments are some Stockholm-syndrome level nonsense you're spouting to protect your favorite brand.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Friday September 19, 2025 @03:42PM (#45305635)
Which API's did they not implement?

I really never commented on lock-in, even said it's fine to dislike it. You're fighting an imaginary opponent here.

I really just pointed out that Safari largely caught up on web standards. It's Google doing the whole "embrace, extend, extinguish" thing that IE pioneered by stuffing non-standards into their browser so they can lock people in.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Friday September 19, 2025 @06:48PM (#45307670)
>It's Apple doing the whole "extinguish" thing that Apple pioneered by forbidding other browsers so they can lock people in

FTFY

Without IE we wouldn't have XMLHTTPRequest, something used by practically every web developer in existence today. Innovation happens, and apparently so do walled gardens that outright forbid any competition.

It's one thing to not implement web bluetooth, web midi, and other APIs on your own browser, it's quite another to block anyone else from doing so with their web browsers. The EU thought so too and forced Apple to let other browsers use their own engines. But not in the US yet, until the DOJ completes the case against Apple.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by nwienert on Saturday September 20, 2025 @03:58AM (#45311384)
The only two APIs you listed aren’t web standards ;)

I’d love to debate you on the rest, but it’s a debate that’s been had here at least a thousand times.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by leptons on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @01:28PM (#45350221)
I don't care that they aren't web standards, and I don't care if Apple ever implements them in Safari.

** What matters is that Apple is still blocking other browser vendors from using anything but Safari. **

The fact you can't or won't see how fucked up that is tells me everything I need to know about you.

Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by paradox460 on Monday September 15, 2025 @02:47PM (#45253482)
And even then, they've made efforts to get better. Safari is starting to edge out Firefox for support of the features I actually want to use
Re:Apple has a private CSS property to add Liquid Glass effe... by move-on-by on Monday September 15, 2025 @09:45PM (#45257089)
I just want to use color SVGs as favicons. One file format- looks great on any screen at any size. But no, Safari isn’t interested in that feature.

Edit: I looked it up, and apparently its added in Safari 26!