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Re:Amish Men Live Longer by bluGill on Monday September 15, 2025 @09:08AM (#45249228)
> It is highly unlikely to be dangerous enough to have a significant, or even measurable, effect on life expectancies.

Assuming you are a normal healthy adult who gets plenty of nutrition - like someone in the modern world. If you are eating near starvation your immune system won't be as strong. If you are otherwise unhealthy the potential bacteria can overwhelm you...

Re:Amish Men Live Longer by Spooky23 on Monday September 15, 2025 @10:21AM (#45250084)
So, do you leave your burritos out for 3 hours so the listeria can grow?

Online arguments about anything like this since COVID boil down to “if you don’t die, it’s ok”. An old or sick person can easily die from food poisoning. If you are hearty and hale, you’re going to feel like crap and get stuff like violent diarrhea.

Re:Amish Men Live Longer by bluGill on Monday September 15, 2025 @12:24PM (#45251627)
most milk doesn't even have anything growing in it. If you take care in storage - refrigeration, clean containers, and use it fast you are probably safe. Probably is of course odds and so if everyone did it there would be deaths - but most people would never be sick
Re:Amish Men Live Longer by Spooky23 on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @08:23AM (#45261282)
Most chicken doesn’t either. Yet we don’t eat rare, juicy chicken.

It’s a risk. There’s a long history of sick and dead people associated with raw milk.

Re:Amish Men Live Longer by graemep on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @10:47AM (#45263040)
its not a comparable risk, not even remotely.

26 deaths, 356 hospitalised, and less than 1% of food borne disease outbreaks over a 26 year period in England and Wales: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6805749/

ANY food would be safer cooked, but most people eat quite a lot raw.

Re:Amish Men Live Longer by graemep on Monday September 15, 2025 @10:50AM (#45250396)
The thing about milk is that its usually pretty obvious if its gone off.

The risk lies in certain diseases (TB is the highest risk) which can kill. However, there is a TB vaccine.

Re:Amish Men Live Longer by HankStallone on Monday September 15, 2025 @10:56AM (#45250448)
And some entire US states have been declared TB-free and/or brucellosis free, and cows are routinely tested under various circumstances to ensure that they stay that way. So some of the risks of the past, whether or not they've been exaggerated, are no longer an issue.
Re:Amish Men Live Longer by giardini on Monday September 15, 2025 @02:15PM (#45253091)
Yes, the BCG vaccine for TB:

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html

The BCG vaccine is not commonly used in USA.