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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by bccdee on Thursday September 11, 2025 @02:11AM (#45208379)
The Nazis and the Communists won enough seats between them in 1932 that it was impossible for Hindenburg to form a government without one or the other. Hitler didn't win a majority, but he won more seats than anyone else, which was enough to ultimately finagle his way to the Chancellorship through broadly legitimate means. I'd call that an electoral victory, albeit a weaselly one.

Of course, then the Reichstag caught fire, and that was about it for Weimar democracy. But up until that point, his political success came off the back of genuine popularity at the ballot box. He only managed to became Chancellor because enough people voted for him.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by orwin on Thursday September 11, 2025 @02:48AM (#45208583)
He could forma coalition with the Socialists, but they pushed for an agrarian reform that would have taken power away from landlords/landowners in east germany, which was the conservative base of power.

It was a choice: Socialists, Nazis or communist, and as always "Plutot Hitler que le Front Populaire", the extreme center choose fascism. The more thing changes, the more they stay the same.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 11, 2025 @02:30AM (#45208487)
There were votes involved (and Nazis pointed out after the war that in a First Past the Post system like the UK they had enough votes for total power) but, like Charlie Kirk, Hitler and the Nazis had the backing of the rich and the powerful.

That's why both of them managed to get their message out to so many people. That might then convert to votes, but are the voters that believed the propaganda at fault as much as the people who paid for it, those who created it, and those that spread it?

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by bccdee on Thursday September 11, 2025 @02:40AM (#45208548)
Oh I agree, I don't think the Republican agenda reflects some sort of authentic "will of the people." It's produced as much by propaganda as anything else.

Nevertheless, it's propaganda that many Americans have swallowed, and those people then go on to put Republicans in power year after year. I can't fault Democrats for their bitterness towards Republican voters.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by d1sxeyes on Thursday September 11, 2025 @03:04AM (#45208684)
I’m not aware of any rigorous modelling that supports what Goering argued though. It’s certainly possible but it’s also not a given by a long shot. FPTP in the UK is not based on the popular vote, it’s essentially the outcome of 650 mini-elections. If Nazi support was efficiently distributed, there’s a good chance they’d have won a strong majority, but if support was focused geographically, they might have ended up with fewer seats.

If you’re aware of any more accurate modelling, I’d be super interested though!