It isn't against the guidelines at all.

It is false to claim that Charlie Kirk "call[ed] for the deaths of specific groups, but . . . indirectly"

People need to be reminded that they "cannot, month in, month out and year in, year out, make the kind of untruthful, of bitter assault . . . and not expect that brutal, violent natures . . . will be unaffected by it." (Theodore Roosevelt)

It's fine to refute a claim with opposing facts or opinions. We agree it was a bad comment, and we would have had no problem with a response that kept within the guidelines.

But the guidelines are very clear about making swipes and posting in an inflammatory style. These are the guidelines are relevant here:

Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Literally none of those are relevant to what I posted. I didn't swipe or sneer at anyone. I said:

- he never called for the death of anyone

- claiming otherwise (despite apparently being familiar with his work) is a deliberate lie

- falsely claiming that someone is a mortal threat is "grist for the mill" for people with violent tendencies

None of the three components of what I said come anywhere close to violating the guidelines.

Perhaps you're not familiar with the idiom? "Grist for the mill" just means that something is useful for a particular motive, it doesn't suggest being in cahoots or any intent whatsoever. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grist%20for%20one...

It's clearly against the guidelines to accuse someone of telling a "deliberate lie". None of us can know what they knew or sincerely believed when they wrote that comment.

As I've kept saying I agree that theirs was a bad comment and agree that it should be flagged and killed, but we need you to try harder to avoid personal attacks and escalatory rhetoric like this. You've been here a long time, we value your contributions and tolerate some boundary-pushing from you because we want a broad spectrum of views to be represented, but sometimes we have to say "enough". Please just do your part to make things better here not worse.

No. It isn't against the guidelines to call out a deliberate lie.

In fact, it's a deliberate lie on your part to say so. You know for an absolute fact it says no such thing.

Shame on you.

> Please just do your part to make things better here not worse.

I am. You are not. Learn to engage with genuine honesty or leave. Your behavior has no place here.