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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by tomhow on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:21PM (#45207381)
It's fine to refute a claim with opposing facts or opinions. We agree it was a bad comment, and we would have had no problem with a response that kept within the guidelines.

But the guidelines are very clear about making swipes and posting in an inflammatory style. These are the guidelines are relevant here:

Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by torstenvl on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:32PM (#45207464)
Literally none of those are relevant to what I posted. I didn't swipe or sneer at anyone. I said:

- he never called for the death of anyone

- claiming otherwise (despite apparently being familiar with his work) is a deliberate lie

- falsely claiming that someone is a mortal threat is "grist for the mill" for people with violent tendencies

None of the three components of what I said come anywhere close to violating the guidelines.

Perhaps you're not familiar with the idiom? "Grist for the mill" just means that something is useful for a particular motive, it doesn't suggest being in cahoots or any intent whatsoever. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grist%20for%20one...

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by tomhow on Thursday September 11, 2025 @05:28AM (#45209527)
It's clearly against the guidelines to accuse someone of telling a "deliberate lie". None of us can know what they knew or sincerely believed when they wrote that comment.

As I've kept saying I agree that theirs was a bad comment and agree that it should be flagged and killed, but we need you to try harder to avoid personal attacks and escalatory rhetoric like this. You've been here a long time, we value your contributions and tolerate some boundary-pushing from you because we want a broad spectrum of views to be represented, but sometimes we have to say "enough". Please just do your part to make things better here not worse.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by torstenvl on Thursday September 11, 2025 @07:48AM (#45210443)
No. It isn't against the guidelines to call out a deliberate lie.

In fact, it's a deliberate lie on your part to say so. You know for an absolute fact it says no such thing.

Shame on you.

> Please just do your part to make things better here not worse.

I am. You are not. Learn to engage with genuine honesty or leave. Your behavior has no place here.