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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by DamnInteresting on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @10:34PM (#45207060)
I went to college at this place (when it was Utah Valley State College [UVSC], before it was UVU). I spent a lot of time in that part of the campus over several years. How strange to see these events unfolding there. Kirk seems to be a person with whom I have scant philosophical agreement, but I prefer to converse with such people rather than watch them die. What an awful mess this all is.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by jake_brake on Thursday September 11, 2025 @03:26PM (#45215233)
You like to converse with people responsible for spreading hate and taking away human rights?
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by John23832 on Thursday September 11, 2025 @03:57PM (#45215520)
Rather than killing them? I would hope so.

I can converse with them, say they're a dumbass, and move on.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by alessandru on Thursday September 11, 2025 @04:20PM (#45215723)
no you don't.

these people don't argue to uncover the truth, they just provoke you into some debate-bro logical gotcha that is simply borne in ignorance.

it's not even if you agree or not with him, he has no intention of ever learning your side, it's just a smorgasbord of conservative bs on repeat.

murder bad. but this guy was a provocateur who tried to get the most "impact" for his side. that is why his hot takes are so insane. they aren't points to argue against, they are dog whistle rallying points for all the racists and misogynists to think society is theirs. so let's not defend his work as "just having opinions i disagree with" ...

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by DamnInteresting on Thursday September 11, 2025 @08:09PM (#45217401)
I am a liberal person who lives in a deeply conservative area (Utah). I have had many conversations with staunch conservatives, some of them close friends and family. One-on-one is different from the one-to-many format, or the one-to-one-in-front-of-others format. It's quite possible to have a civil conversation about such things when there isn't an audience.

I have seldom (probably never) seen anyone have a big change of heart from such discussion, but often both sides concede a little, and it feels like progress toward common ground, minuscule though it may be.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by diogenescynic on Thursday September 11, 2025 @08:59PM (#45217645)
Reading comments like these make me realize how morally bankrupt the left is. Just no heart or soul in them. No human spirit whatsoever. This is a frankly anti-human and disgustingly morose opinion. I hope you get help.

Charlie Kirk was polite and simply had a debate. If you think there's any justification of his assassination, you're the fascist who is saying there is no room for any political debate. It's the left that thinks everyone must have the same opinion, or else they are justified in assassinating you in front of your family on a college campus. Shameful and mentally ill and evil.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by bigyabai on Thursday September 11, 2025 @10:46PM (#45218196)
> Reading comments like these make me realize how morally bankrupt the left is.

Regardless of how you feel, these types of statements are gross generalizations and against the HN guidelines. If you're going to comment, find a way to express your disappointment without smearing your personal boogeyman.

  When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Friday September 12, 2025 @08:54AM (#45221594)
It sounds like you’ve never watched any debating, whether at a world class university, parliament, or a high school. They’re no greater or lesses than Kirk’s debates were.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by myroon5 on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @12:30AM (#45342853)
Trying to win debates as a ~sport seemingly involves exactly the type of bad faith dialogue people find distasteful:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreading_(debate)

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop