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Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by deltarholamda on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:45AM (#45199407)
I'd think "it can be both" would be obvious, but clearly not.

Rich people have been enjoying a different standard of life even in the midst of abject poverty since forever, but I guess this is news to some.

Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by rcpt on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @12:51PM (#45200453)
So, OP is right. Despite the Nextdoor-tier rant about panhandlers the demand for walkable cities is huge. So huge that the super rich will pay handsomely and put up with panhandlers on top of it to live outside of car hell.
Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by FuriouslyAdrift on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @02:09PM (#45201557)
At least one wealthy family in NYC I met doesn't use surface transport for much... they use helicopters or have things/people/shopping/restaurants brought to them.

Had an experience where a store sent tailors, stylists, a manager, and a ton of inventory so that they could clothes shop while still in their home. Apparently, this was "normal". My shock was a source of great amusement to them.

They did the same thing with restaurants, movies, concerts, even a play... the staff, etc. came to them.

I have no idea just how wealthy they were (Brazilian who owned many businesses in oil and gas production) but I had never seen (or even heard of) such service.

Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by woodruffw on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:42PM (#45204277)
I don’t think your wealthy acquaintances are representative.

I’ve lived in NYC my entire life, and I know plenty of wealthy people. Most take the subway; a small but not insignificant minority drive or are driven everywhere.

Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by dullcrisp on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @06:24PM (#45204892)
You mean the skies aren’t filled with everyone riding helicopters?
Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by Nevermark on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @06:48PM (#45205164)
The skies are so filled with copters that you can walk from building to building on their blades.
Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday September 11, 2025 @12:38PM (#45213545)
I think we're talking about the difference between millionaires and billionaires (they are definitely billionaires).
Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by II2II on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @07:26PM (#45205565)
This sounds more like and impoverished life than a wealthy one.

(Clearly I am referring to the life experience, rather than how much money they have and how they spend it.)

Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by deltarholamda on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @01:24PM (#45200898)
That's an amazingly reductive take on a complex issue, and it infers something which was not implied.

At no point did I suggest that walkable cities were not in demand, only that the current state is less than ideal for a large number of people, to which your solution was "be rich".

Re:Made for People, Not Cars: Reclaiming European Cities by rcpt on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:32PM (#45203238)
No my point is that if OP were wrong then these places would be cheap.