Is anyone forcing you to use a default? How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?
Maybe being disgusted by others choices for casual conversation is a personal matter. Something you could address with software to disregard whatever is so offensive, or a support group, or inward reflection.
Why don't you levy this argument against yourself?
>How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?
Because I cannot. By your own points, I can't express myself in a race-neutral way anymore.
>Maybe being disgusted by others choices for casual conversation is a personal matter. Something you could address with software to disregard whatever is so offensive, or a support group, or inward reflection.
This is, again, better levied against your position.
> Why don't you levy this argument against yourself?
How? I don't feel forced by others having options or even the existence of a default.
>> Maybe being disgusted by others choices...
> This is, again, better levied against your position.
I'm not the one whose disgusted or even bothered. Not even by your opinion. (I just don't share it.)
>> How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?
> Because I cannot. By your own points, I can't express myself in a race-neutral way anymore.
Thanks for clarifying. IMO you can just accept the defaults, whatever their tone/complexion, and move on. I don't think anyone is bothered by yellow being an imperfect attempt at race neutrality, so long as there are options for folks to pick whatever they're comfortable with.
The sheer length of the discussion suggests otherwise.
Debate doesn't mean people are out to get you.
>And just repeating that yellow is abstract and inclusive doesn't address the fact that it's objectively far closer to representing people of lighter complexion than those with significantly darker complexion.
They also represent those of thinner complexion. Overwhelmingly able-bodied too. Not to mention, it was always going to be the case since facial features are going to be dark tones and as such, it's clearer to represent them on a clear skin. This was always a nonsensical, losing game. Always has been.
I don't feel represented on the basis of branding personal expression with an identification of race as a default, the idea is frankly abhorrent to me. Why am I being excluded?