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Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by istjohn on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:15PM (#45163854)
Contrast this with the global market, where EVs are cheaper than ICE vehicles.
Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by hedora on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:23PM (#45163901)
This will be true soon in the US too. Ford’s already announced an MSRP of $30K for the EV version of this $33K ICE pickup:

https://www.ford.com/trucks/ranger/

Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by dekrg on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:21PM (#45163886)
Cheaper where and in what way?

Electricity cost is on par or exceeds cost of ICE fuel (gas or diesel) in most of the western world and beyond. Also EVs have much lower resale value.

Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by rstuart4133 on Sunday September 07, 2025 @11:00PM (#45164285)
I live in Australia. Electricity here costs around USD$0.20/kWh, unless you are prepared to charge when the wind is blowing, or the sun is shining, in which case it costs USD$0.05/kWh. $0.05/kWh equates to around USD$1.20 per 100 miles for a car that gets 50 miles to the gallon.

That's assuming you have to pay for it. I charge my car from my roof top solar, so it costs nothing.

The resale value for EV's isn't good, but the reason is battery prices are dropping, and batteries are the primary cost of an EV. They dropped 30% in the last year. If that continues, it's all over for US car makers once the tariffs go away.

Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by bluGill on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:30PM (#45163940)
Where I live in the us I save $200 per month with ev vs gas. This is replacing a minivan with essentially the same but 10 years newer. Of course my power all tmes fron wind which is cheap
Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by hedora on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:35PM (#45163953)
We’re saving way more than that. Probably the equivalent of $70-90 per “gas tank”. Old car was a late model truck of the same form factor.

The resale values on used EVs are poor because things are improving so fast. The new ones are better and cheaper, which isn’t really the case for ICE models.

The only exceptions are the first few years of Leaf’s, since they ate batteries, and teslas because of the non-removable MAGA bumper stickers.

Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by bluGill on Monday September 08, 2025 @09:11AM (#45167818)
Unfortunately the older EVs don't really have enough range for some of the things I want an older car for (going to camp - I expect to scratch the car so rentals are out)
Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by hedora on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @03:29PM (#45187474)
We had an ICE truck for this purpose for a while. The used long range replacement had a lower MSRP (and we paid less for it), and it’s a better pickup / more capable pickup truck).
Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by beAbU on Monday September 08, 2025 @02:09AM (#45165093)
I pay roughly €1 for every 100km I drive here in Ireland. My annual car road tax is €120 in stead of 200+. My annual service involves kicking the tires and having a peek under the car.

I bought my ev used for 16k, with a basically brand new battery (mandatory recall) still under warranty. I'm not gonna resell it, I'm probably gonna keep it till the wheels fall off.

Re:Detroit's Carmakers to Save Billions in Emissions Rollback by triceratops on Monday September 08, 2025 @10:34AM (#45168834)
> Electricity cost is on par or exceeds cost of ICE fuel (gas or diesel) in most of the western world and beyond

Doubt.