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Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by awesome_dude on Saturday September 06, 2025 @09:30PM (#45154520)
> 22 year old western hacker for a 3 letter agency is going to have maybe a 6 month softball tangentially related internship of experience under their belt while the north korean might have years and years by that point.

I was with you right up until this bit

The agencies concerned tend to recruit people that have demonstrated ability in that field, and they've usually got it with "self-directed" training :)

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Joel_Mckay on Sunday September 07, 2025 @03:07AM (#45156047)
State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position.

The fact is there were only around 40 unique hacks ever invented, and people simply adapt these into new zero day exploits. Notably, this is now mostly a fully automated process.

If people want in, they will get in eventually. =3

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Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by vntok on Sunday September 07, 2025 @05:03AM (#45156581)
ChatGPT decoded the ROT47 text immediately from a simple prompt: "Decode this string sent by some random pompous guy on Hacker News: [raw string]".

If robots want in, they will get in eventually too, apparently.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Joel_Mckay on Sunday September 07, 2025 @05:31AM (#45156724)
It was a simple way to highlight impulsive behavior common in modern users, and the trivial encoding function should be obvious to those who are minimally empathetic. Ask the LLM handler if being lied to makes people feel worse than getting robbed... then consider if you would hire such individuals.

If you are ever unsure of someones motives, than politely ask for context. Have a wonderful day =3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases#Causa...

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by bgwalter on Sunday September 07, 2025 @09:03AM (#45157831)
What is the impulsive behavior? Do you have a zero day in some ROT-47 decoder? Or perhaps a zero day in the file command in case a user creates a file containing the string and runs the command on it? Or is the string both a valid ROT-47 string and a valid executable on some platform?

> If you are ever unsure of someones motives, than politely ask for context.

Asking for context.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Joel_Mckay on Sunday September 07, 2025 @03:07PM (#45161207)
In general, the point was predicting statistical behavior is easy in large enough populations, and finding utility in that fact is trivial.

Exploits are boring, and thus have questionable utility in a proper business context. Don't worry about it... =3

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by KyleBerezin on Sunday September 07, 2025 @03:06PM (#45161200)
No need for insults, I found it fun. ROTs are easy to detect because they usually still have word-length chunks, and common repeating symbols. In this case the '6's ('e's). This is something a language oriented AI is going to be very good at detecting. It's great demo of why hashing is so important.

If you don't see repeating symbols, it could be a running key, like a Vigenèr cipher.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by theshrike79 on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:16AM (#45165824)
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Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday September 07, 2025 @06:44AM (#45157040)
> State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position

Why? They’re intelligent, crafty and able to make trade-offs.

Empirically, ex-spies have a solid history in reaching commanding positions in politics and business.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Joel_Mckay on Sunday September 07, 2025 @07:20AM (#45157221)
It is complicated, but Moral Development theory does cover the phenomena of why some won't understand until they personally grow through the stages of development.

Have a great day. =3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_...

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by jgilias on Sunday September 07, 2025 @03:55PM (#45161572)
Reading up on it made me realize that a certain well known orange person is really on Stage 2 of moral development. That explains a lot.

But also gives hope. I mean, it’s rare that adults fail to advance from pre-conventional phases, so it must be super rare to have such a confluence of factors that puts someone like that in the given job.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 08, 2025 @09:08AM (#45167792)
Spies do tough work for not that much pay. (Certainly less than they can earn in the private sector.)

They’re starting from a position of duty. Given the stakes the questions they’re tasked with operate at, I’d guess they tend to be in the postconventional regime more than most people.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Joel_Mckay on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:35PM (#45173620)
Sounds like an absurd fiction... and still unrelated to a proper business. =3
Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by Ray20 on Sunday September 07, 2025 @05:21PM (#45162274)
> Empirically, ex-spies have a solid history in reaching commanding positions in politics and business.

But it's not because someone wants them there. It's because they can demand the position they want.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 08, 2025 @08:17AM (#45167372)
> it's not because someone wants them there. It's because they can demand the position they want

Zero evidence of this. And if they can demand that position from one, they can demand favors from others. I would count a background in espionage to be a net positive in a hiring process, provided dismissal was on good terms.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by mr_toad on Sunday September 07, 2025 @06:11PM (#45162647)
> Empirically, ex-spies have a solid history in reaching commanding positions in politics and business.

The only examples I can think of are Putin and George HW Bush.

Re:How the "Kim" Dump Exposed North Korea's Credential Theft... by asdff on Monday September 08, 2025 @02:44PM (#45172154)
Lurking forums and irc is probably a terrible way to train a hacker than a dedicated program that introduces you to the tools you'd be using on the job right away. Even today people don't even like hiring self taught engineers anymore like 20 years ago, when there are many more people today who have gone through legitimate education programs.

The one hacker I met in my life went to West Point and had no experience they didn't gain from being placed in their program after graduating with decent test scores.