Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on promise of autonomy

Re:Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on... by ra7 on Saturday September 06, 2025 @12:37PM (#45150745)

The complexity argument rings hollow to me. It’s a bit like saying distributed databases are complex because you have to deal with CAP guarantees. Yes, but people still develop them because it has real benefits.

It was maybe a valid argument 10 years ago, but in 2025 many companies have shown sensor fusion works just fine. I mean, Waymo has clocked 100M+ miles, so it works. The AV industry has moved on to more interesting problems, while Tesla and Musk are still stuck in the past arguing about sensor choices.

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Re:Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on... by leoc on Saturday September 06, 2025 @01:36PM (#45151277)

Well, it's more like sensor fusion plus extensive human remote intervention, it seems: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/03/technology/zo... . Mind you, if it takes both LiDAR and call-centre workers to make self-driving work in 2025 and for the foreseeable future, that makes Tesla's old ambition to achieve it with neither look all the more hopeless.

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Re:Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on... by ra7 on Saturday September 06, 2025 @01:49PM (#45151388)

Tesla robotaxis have teleoperation [1], which is worse than remote assistance others use because the operators have direct control. Yet they cannot fully remove safety personnel from the car.

The old ambition is dead.

[1] https://electrek.co/2025/05/16/tesla-robotaxi-fleet-powered-...

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Re:Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on... by Narciss on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:41PM (#45153577)

V interesting, thanks for sharing, I didn’t know this

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