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Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by fkyoureadthedoc on Friday September 05, 2025 @09:53AM (#45138598)
Me getting free movies and music, piracy good

Meta getting free books to train an LLM, piracy bad

Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by nextaccountic on Friday September 05, 2025 @10:26AM (#45139001)
For the courts, it seems it's the opposite.. Meta, Anthropic and others seem to be getting away with terabytes of piracy, on a much larger scale than the typical consumer
Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by torium on Friday September 05, 2025 @10:09AM (#45138804)
Powerful entities getting a pass, bad.

Individuals getting a pass, good.

See, it just depends on how you slice the Venn diagram. With a bit of imagination you'll be able to start connecting the dots by yourself in no time.

Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by fkyoureadthedoc on Friday September 05, 2025 @11:13AM (#45139527)
I've already connected the dots of the HN zeitgeist. Besides this was done by a few individuals at Meta, or are you thinking they had a board meeting and shareholder vote on it?
Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by tojumpship on Friday September 05, 2025 @12:03PM (#45140096)
even if we completely ignore organizational structure, do you truly believe not holding companies accountable for a few rogue employees is a good call? Is it too difficult for higher-ups to blame the rank-and-file and arrange scapegoats in the opaque black box that is a corporation? and even still, we can ignore this potential precedent and focus on motivation only: if an employee uses illegal means as a tool to reach their work goals, isn't an investigation into said work goals and culture warranted?
Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by fkyoureadthedoc on Friday September 05, 2025 @01:25PM (#45141112)
This is all already happening, that's why we know about it. But there's also nuance. Was piracy Meta corporate strategy, as implied ad nauseam on here, or was it some guy taking a shortcut?

Is it actually bad that Meta trained their AI on books? No, court already decided that it's substantially transformative and doesn't harm the publishers. Should Meta employees have stolen the books? No, obviously not. The middle men need their cut.

Re:Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks by doron on Friday September 05, 2025 @03:36PM (#45142723)
"Move fast and break things" A guy taking a shortcut is the ethos of Meta, it's the DNA.