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Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by pdw on Thursday September 04, 2025 @04:53AM (#45125125)
Debian woody (2002) shipped gnustep. I tried it back then, but as far as I remember, it was weird enough that anybody who didn't have NEXTSTEP experience would bounce right off. The floating menus, the weird scrollbars, etc. There were also no non-trivial applications that I can remember.

People back then were looking for something that would be familiar to Windows/Mac users. GNUStep (at least at the time) was not interested in being that.

Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by rollcat on Thursday September 04, 2025 @08:32AM (#45126525)
Anyone interested in trying NeXTStep, it's included on <https://infinitemac.org/>
Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by pjmlp on Thursday September 04, 2025 @09:08AM (#45126852)
I also advise reading through the manuals at https://www.nextop.de/ while they exist, or save local copies.
Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by pabs3 on Thursday September 04, 2025 @09:01PM (#45133975)
I have started an ArchiveBot job for this website, so the site and all the pages it links to will be on web.archive.org for future viewing. Should be up in a few days to a week.

https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot

Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by rhet0rica on Friday September 05, 2025 @02:32PM (#45141990)
Be aware that these are built on very barebones disk images compiled by a community member many years ago; the NeXT community is working on more tourist-friendly packages that we hope to offer to Mihai soon.
Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by rhet0rica on Friday September 05, 2025 @02:30PM (#45141950)
The current best GNUstep distro is WMlive: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wmlive/

It's based on Debian Bookworm.

Re:Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep by wmlive on Friday September 05, 2025 @05:42PM (#45143973)
Glad you like it and thanks for the recommendation!

Nonetheless, being the maintainer of this project, i'd like to point out that this is no dedicated GNUstep distro, but a mostly Debian based distribution using a thoroughly preconfigured Window Maker as its primary user interface, and that just happens to have the whole range of available GNUstep applications added on.

As already written elsewhere[3], citing my own words, this is a better characterization of its scope:

»Window Maker is just a highly compatible X11 window manager and is supposed to work as such. There is no interest to specifically integrate it with the provided GNUstep applications, as this is not supposed to be predominantly a GNUstep desktop. The included GNUstep applications are just an addon to give people a practical way to verify what GNUstep has to offer. In fact, wmlive would be perfectly usable without providing any single GNUstep application. The freedom and flexibility provided by an X11 window manager instead of the walled garden of a specific desktop system is much more preferable to many Linux users. NeXT nostalgists might want to look elsewhere. [1][2]«

People who's interest has been sufficiently piqued to download wmlive are advised to better wait until after Debian's bookwom 12.12 point release this saturday. A final bookworm based wmlive release will be uploaded shortly after. This will also be the last and final 32bit i386 variant of wmlive. After that work on an exclusively amd64 trixie based wmlive variant will begin.

[1] https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

[2] https://github.com/onflapp/gs-desktop

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640378