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Re:Israel committing genocide in Gaza, scholars group says by cmurf on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @01:44AM (#45099507)
HAMAS hides in tunnels intentionally built under civilian infrastructure. Tunnels only HAMAS can enter. Civilians aren’t allowed. Tunnels that require significant ordinance to penetrate and destroy. The heavier bombs penetrate deeper and cause less surface damage. But the international community, perhaps unwittingly, insisted on lighter ordinance. This was less penetrating, less effective, and therefore more of it required. With more surface damage to civilian infrastructure.

In Iran, the targets were well above ground. Their movements known because security services were compromised.

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/israels-new-approach-to-tunnels-a-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/israel-iran-a...

Re:Israel committing genocide in Gaza, scholars group says by bjoli on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @04:08AM (#45100323)
The tunnels are on a depth of 18-25 meters. Apart from the 2000lb bombs, there is nothing that will destroy a reinforced tunnel that deep. If even that. It will however destroy sewage and water infrastructure.

One of those bunker busters will also do immense damage to surrounding structures. Gaza is one of the more densely populated areas on earth. You don't use 2000lb bombs without causing a lot of death and damage outside of the thing you a re targeting.

Not only that, every time hospital attacks were justified bt "Hamas underground conplexes" the evidence has been lacklustre or even completely absent. They demolished the only specialist cancer hospital in Gaza claiming it was used as a command central for Hamas. But still no evidence has been provided. The only thing we DO know is that the IDF had used the hospital as a base before denolishibg it.

While I don't doubt that there are examples of Hamas using civilian infrastructure (and this v.civilians) as shields, the Israeli usage of the term is a poor excuse for indescriminate bombing of apartment buildings, schools and hospitals.

Re:Israel committing genocide in Gaza, scholars group says by blks on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @02:33AM (#45099768)
Interesting way of shifting blame of creating thousands of corpses from military and political leadership to “international community”.
Re:Israel committing genocide in Gaza, scholars group says by bartoszcki on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @01:50PM (#45106606)
Sure it would be best to build the tunnels away from civilian infrastructure but there's barely any away-from-civilian-infrastructure places in the Gaza Strip.

What would be even better, IMHO, is if Israel just stopped murdering Gazans.