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Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:11PM (#45078819)
> you can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good

You can let bad be the enemy of both good and perfect.

Investment in manufacturing structures is down in ‘25 [1]. Manufacturing activity in the northeast is down, with “the new orders index dip[ping] into negative territory” [2].

Tariffs can reduce trade imbalances and incentivize domestic production. We’re not doing that. Our tariffs are too volatile. They tax manufacturing inputs. Tweets grasping for the straws of a Nobel prize cede prized export markets like India to China [3]. Cancelled licenses for nearly-complete projects add risk [4].

The policies of a degrowth leftist who wanted to reduce our industrial output and pivot to manufacturing would be virtually identical.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RX1Q020SBEA

[2] https://www.philadelphiafed.org/surveys-and-data/regional-ec...

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...

[4] https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-orders-orsted-ha...

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by hippo22 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @09:59PM (#45079656)
From your first link, investment in manufacturing is lower than in 2024 (by like 3%), but both 2024 and 2025 (Trump’s presidency) are the highest datapoints in that dataset.

Also, your second link generally paints a mixed picture, not an outright negative one:

> On balance, the firms indicated an increase in employment, and the price indexes rose further above their long-run averages. The survey’s broad indicators for future activity suggest that firms continue to expect growth over the next six months.

I think it’s misguided to interpret current data as evidence either for or against the current policies. This is something that’s going to take a decade plus to play out. Trying to use data to call winners 6 months in isn’t really possible.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 04, 2025 @02:08AM (#45124087)
> investment in manufacturing is lower than in 2024 (by like 3%), but both 2024 and 2025 (Trump’s presidency) are the highest datapoints in that dataset

Sure, it’s down in ‘25 and has stalled a multi-year trend. The most-recent data show that trend spreading.

> something that’s going to take a decade plus to play out

Won’t get there. One, the policy is changing on a week-to-week basis. And two, there is no bipartisan buy-in to this policy.

The tariffs could have worked were they sensibly implemented. They weren’t. As structured, they are politically and economically infeasible for their aims. (Great if you’re an intermediary, though.)