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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by danudey on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:53PM (#45069858)
Yes, because a top hacker news post takes your server down because a large number of actual humans are looking to gain actual value from your posts. Meanwhile, you stand to benefit from the HN discussion by learning new things and perspectives from the community.

The AI bot assault, on the other hand, is one company (or a few companies) re-fetching the same data over and over again, constantly, in perpetuity, just in case it's changed, all so they can incorporate it into their training set and make money off of it while giving you zero credit and providing zero feedback.

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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by wvenable on Friday August 29, 2025 @06:13PM (#45070023)
But then we get to use those AI tools.

The refrain here comes down not to "AI" but mostly to "the AI bot assault" which is a different thing. Sure lets have an discussion about badly behaved and overzealous web scrapers. As for credit, I've asked AI for it's references and gotten them. If my information is merely mushed into AI training model I'm not sure why I need credit. If you discuss this thread with your friends are you going to give me credit?

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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by frm88 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @01:55AM (#45072211)
"If you discuss this thread with your friends are you going to give me credit?"

Yes. How else would I enable my friends to look it up for themselves?

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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by wvenable on Saturday August 30, 2025 @04:05PM (#45077584)
6 months from now when you've internalized this entire thread are you even going to remember where you got it from?
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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by frm88 on Sunday August 31, 2025 @01:50AM (#45080671)
Why are you shifting the discussion by adding two new variables (time/memory)?
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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by wvenable on Sunday August 31, 2025 @05:02PM (#45087055)
Because that's how one interacts with AI.
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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by frm88 on Monday September 01, 2025 @03:40AM (#45090441)
Yeah. Running out of arguments, are you?
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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by tsimionescu on Saturday August 30, 2025 @02:51AM (#45072463)
No, you don't "get to" use the AI tools. You have to buy access to them (beyond some free trials).
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Re:The web does not need gatekeepers: Cloudflare’s new “sign... by wvenable on Saturday August 30, 2025 @04:04PM (#45077577)
Yes. I get to buy access to them. They're providing an expensive to provide service that requires specialized expertise. I don't see the problem with that.
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