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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by marssaxman on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:43PM (#45069748)
I meant it exactly as I said it. I do not agree that any theft occurred, either in law or in spirit, and I believe that reinterpretation of intellectual-property law in order to make it a crime would cause significant harm, greatly outweighing the benefits, as has been the case with every other expansion of intellectual property law I have seen.
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by fcarraldo on Friday August 29, 2025 @06:08PM (#45069977)
Anthropic downloaded books from Library Genesis and The Pirate Library mirror. This is factual and reported on from court documents.

What’s the angle that describes this as fair use?

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-cut-pirated-millio...

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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by marssaxman on Friday August 29, 2025 @07:57PM (#45070728)
The simple fact that they are not republishing any of that data. Fair use does not apply, because copyright does not apply, because nothing is being copied.
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by Wowfunhappy on Friday August 29, 2025 @09:02PM (#45071030)
So you don't think downloading something from The Pirate Bay constitutes copyright infringement provided you don't republish it?
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by marssaxman on Friday August 29, 2025 @10:08PM (#45071319)
Precisely. The person sharing is the one breaking the law.
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by TheRoque on Friday August 29, 2025 @11:48PM (#45071762)
That's factually wrong, downloading without sharing is also illegal.
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by thrwaway55 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @06:58AM (#45073626)
I just want to confirm this, you believe that when OpenAI and their agents post copyright material that they did not pay for verbatim it is breaking the law?
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Re:If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on y... by coldtea on Saturday August 30, 2025 @10:16AM (#45074880)
You are wrong then. Confidently wrong.

U.S.: Downloading = infringement. If prosecuted, usually gets civil lawsuits/fines, not jail.

E.U.: Same — both downloading/hosting illegal, but hosts get cracked down harder.

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