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Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by brightball on Thursday August 28, 2025 @10:18PM (#45059323)
I understand where you are coming from but there’s a flip side to this.

Cloudflare obfuscating such a huge segment of origin servers gives a privacy advantage to anyone using a private DNS, since most of the IPs you can be seen connecting to are just…Cloudflare.

Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by rsync on Thursday August 28, 2025 @11:34PM (#45059855)
Or, at least, that’s how it would work if it wasn’t for SNI…
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by allset_ on Friday August 29, 2025 @12:45AM (#45060303)
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by immibis on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:55PM (#45067328)
China blocks ECH.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by majorchord on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:54PM (#45069876)
do you have a reliable source for this claim?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @12:05AM (#45071842)
China's use of SNI-based censorship is well-documented

For example, see

https://censorbib.nymity.ch/pdf/Niere2025a.pdf

Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by ranger_danger on Saturday August 30, 2025 @01:21PM (#45076382)
Yes, but SNI is not ECH.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @10:24PM (#45079784)
China has blocked ESNI

https://gfw.report/blog/gfw_esni_blocking/en/

But SNI is not CH and ESNI is not ECH

Will China block ECH

ECH blocking has been detected in Russia

https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/417

According to Niere et al. (2025)

"Additionally, with the ECH extension not yet being widely used [17], [71] and focusing on privacy protection rather than censorship circumvention [60], it can be censored easily by blocking it entirely [14], [76]."

The paper describes various GFW bypass methods that currently work, including removing the SNI extension entirely

It does not mention anyone using ECH to bypass GFW

Perhaps it is too early to conclude "China blocks ECH" because ECH is not in widespread use

Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @12:01AM (#45071818)
Any examples of Cloudflare client websites that have enabled ECH
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by jjcob on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:35AM (#45061263)
It's funny that the original idea for HTTPS was that there should be private communication between clients and service providers, and it somehow got turned on its head and now its just private communication between you and Cloudflare, and they can see all the traffic.

We talk about end to end encryption all the time, but half the web is hosted by a single company with questionable ethics and everyone is like, we trust them! They write technical blog posts!

Even Signal is hosted on Cloudflare...

Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by lyu07282 on Friday August 29, 2025 @10:38AM (#45064729)
Great gaslighting I must admit, terminating SSL of half the internet.. that centralization is actually enhancing privacy... There is a very high probability Cloudflare is a literal NSA front.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ... by brightball on Monday September 01, 2025 @10:19PM (#45098456)
I don't see how that's gas lighting?

I'm just suggesting that there are trade-offs involved and value gained by making private origin servers common.