One of my greatest issues with 911 conspiracy theories are that people believe that the government and George W are capable of planning such a brilliant and perfectly executed false flag attack and then claim that George W. Bush is a complete moron in the same sentence. You can't have it both ways, lol.

That line of logic really doesn't make any sense at all. I personally believe Bush to be a moron, but he wasn't the only person doing stuff in that administration. Every president, great or terrible, has relied on staff below them to assist and advise, and that's not a bad thing.

Hypothetically, if this was a conspiracy, then Bush's involvement would have been at the very most listening to options and then selecting one. For the same reason I can, in the same sentence, say that America invaded Iraq and that Bush isn't a trained soldier.

(For the record I don't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.)

I've answered to that claim above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4504359

Who said George W. Bush was running the show? He was just a puppet. Give the guy some cocaine and he'll say whatever the hell you want him to say. Think about it. Who had the biggest geopolitical motive to invade Iraq for its oil and Afghanistan for its minerals? It's not the people calling shots in front of you, it's the guys with the money behind them.

I watched some of those documentaries. Loose Change was the worst. Shows image of Pentagon, "proving" it wasn't a plane that stuck the building. Image is cropped. Original image shows debris field, including plane's engine.

"911 Truth for Dummies": http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/cards/CR13-740h.jpg

Quote from 911sharethetruth.com:

"""Initially, most of us fell for their version of the events. But then came the slip-ups. The leaseholder of the World Trade Center admitted on PBS in 'Rebuilding America' that WTC-7 was 'pulled' on 9/11 (See video here in Windows Media Format - http://www.911sharethetruth.com/extras/SilversteinBdg7.wmv), which is the standard slang for controlled demolition.

Look at the tapes from that day when TV anchors, Aaron Brown and Dan Rather first said the very same words about the collapses. Firefighters and rescue workers talked about explosives and bombs going off, all over in the buildings. Recall the horrific images of the over 100-story towers coming down at free-fall speed, defying the laws of physics. Recall the engineers who first stated that the planes and fires alone could not have caused the deadly collapse. Now the evidence is gone, witnesses silenced, and an independent, real investigation never happened. Sure, it is hard to accept that we have all been fooled so long, but only discovering and facing the truth will set the U.S. free.""" - 9-11 Truth Activist of Northern California

I'm a Popperian. Theories must be falsifiable. If any of the 9/11 Truther theories invalidate or improve on the NIST explanation for how WTC 7 fell, you let me know.

As for the politics, whatever. Bush/Cheney allowed 9/11 to happen. And then they capitalized on the aftermath. So what? There's no evidence that is actionable. You're outraged? Big deal. While you're refighting past battles, the bad guys are gleefully stealing your future.

Having said that, the 9/11 Truther groups are basically cults. No different than the La Rouchians, Scientologists, climate change deniers, Clinton Killed Vince Foster, etc. People addicted to anger busy disempowering themselves.

There's a good article out there that I couldn't retrieve within 20 seconds of searching, that points out that Loose Change was made to be a mockumentary, but Avery got approached by Alex Jones or some other conspiracy theory nut job and edited it to be about 911 (was more generic before if my memory serves) and then started talking like it was all true. But this was just a piece to make Avery famous. It doesn't even try to provide any truth.

Hysterical.

Behind every fad or movement, there's someone making a back.

Another conspiracy theory. This thread with it's parent is the most discussed/hot thread, but it is being buried by someone so it's in the tail of the page. How lucky, the real numbers about who and how much points give/take are not being shown to us, the users.