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Re:The Therac-25 Incident by pjmlp on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @08:00AM (#45038467)
The worst part is that many devlopers think that by not working with high integrity systems, such quality levels don't apply to them.

Wrong, any software failure can have huge consequences in someone's life, or company, by preventing some critical flow to take place, corrupting data related to someone's life, professional or medical record, preventing a payment on some specific goods that had to be acquired on that moment or never,....

Re:The Therac-25 Incident by ozim on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @08:45AM (#45038893)
Hey don’t blame developers.

It is business who requests features ASAP to cut costs and and then there are customers who don’t want to pay for „ideal software” but rather have every software for free.

Most devs and QA workers I know want to deliver best quality software and usually are gold plating stuff anyway.

Re:The Therac-25 Incident by pjmlp on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @09:06AM (#45039133)
Being a real Software Engineer, those that actually have the proper title, eventually with the final examination, means being able to deliver the best product within the set of given constraints.

Also, speaking out when the train is visibly going against a wall.

Re:The Therac-25 Incident by ozim on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @11:53AM (#45041357)
Re:The Therac-25 Incident by pjmlp on Thursday August 28, 2025 @02:16AM (#45049012)
Yeah, and I bet responsabilities will be taken care of, unlike in most software projects.
Re:The Therac-25 Incident by bobmcnamara on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:57AM (#45040598)
In my country those are a myth. We had it as a professional engineering classification for a while but I'm not sure if anyone ever completed it. They cancelled it several years ago.
Re:The Therac-25 Incident by pjmlp on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @11:09AM (#45040802)
And in US anyone can call themselves whatever they feel like.

If you want professional quality, we're the first line of actually making it happen, blaming others won't change anything.

Re:The Therac-25 Incident by bobmcnamara on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @08:05PM (#45046787)
Turns out there could be up to 81 US professional software engineers!

https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...

Re:The Therac-25 Incident by Cthulhu_ on Thursday August 28, 2025 @05:03AM (#45050007)
Business can request it, but it's your job as a software engineer to build quality software; don't shift the blame.

Does a construction engineer blame an architect's wacky designs if a building collapses? No, they either engineer it so it doesn't collapse, convince the architect that it will collapse because physics, or they refuse.

People want to be able to use a bridge for free too, doesn't mean there's no money in it.

As for gold plating, is that really improving software quality, or is that yak shaving / bike shedding?