That’s easy. Giving my parents a safe browser to utilize without me is the challenge.

Because there never were safe web browsers in the first place. The internet is fundamentally flawed and programmers are continously having to invent coping mechanisms to the underlying issue. This will never change.

You seem like the guy, who would call car airbags a coping mechanism.

He's off in another thread calling people "weak" and laughing at them for taking pain relievers to help with headaches.

Just because you can never have absolute safety and security doesn't mean that you should be deliberately introduce more vulnerabilities in a system. It doesn't mtif we're talking about operating systems or the browser itself.

We shouldn't be sacrificing every trade-off indiscriminately out of fear of being left behind in the "AI world".

To make it clear, I am fully against these types of AI tools. At least for as long as we did not solve security issues that come with them. We are really good at shipping bullshit nobody asked for without acknowledging security concerns. Most people out there can not operate a computer. A lot of people still click on obvious scam links they've received per email. Humanity is far from being ready for more complexity and more security related issues.

Why do people keep going down this sophistry? Claude is a tool, a piece of technology that you use. Your parents are not. LLMs are not people.

If you think it's sophistry you're missing the point. Let's break it down:

1. Browsers are open ended tools

2. A knowledgeable user can accomplish all sorts of things with a browser

3. Most people can do very impactful things on browsers, like transferring money, buying expensive products, etc.

4. The problem of older people falling for scams and being tricked into taking self-harming actions in browsers is ancient; anyone who was family tech support in the 2000's remembers removing 15+ "helpful toolbars" and likely some scams/fraud that older relatives fell for

5. Claude is a tool that can use a browser

6. Claude is very likely susceptible to both old and new forms of scams / abuse, either the same ones that some people fall for or novel ones based on the tech

7. Anyone who is set up to take impactful actions in their browser (transferring money, buying expensive things) should already by vigilant about who they allow to use their browser with all of their personal context

8. It is reasonable to draw a parallel between tools like Claude and parents, in the sense that neither should be trusted with high-stakes browsing

9. It is also reasonable to take the same precautions -- allow them to use private browsing modes, make sure they don't have admin rights on your desktop, etc.

The fact that one "agent" is code and the other is human is totally immaterial. Allowing any agent to use your personal browsing context is dangerous and precautions should be taken. This shouldn't be surprising. It's certainly not new.

> If you think it's sophistry you're missing the point. Let's break it down:

I'd be happy to respond to something that isn't ChatGPT, thanks.

> Is it possible to give your parents access to to your browser in a safe way?

No.

Give them access to a browser running as a different user with different homedir? Sure, but that is not my browser.

Access to my browser in a private tab? Maybe, but that still isn't my browser. Still a danger though.

Anything that counts as "my browser" is not safe for me to give to someone else (whether parent or spouse or trusted advisor is irrelevant, they're all the same levels of insecurity).