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Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by 0x457 on Monday August 25, 2025 @05:00PM (#45018955)
So weird to scrape wikipedia when you can just download db dumb from them.
Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by xp84 on Monday August 25, 2025 @06:13PM (#45019746)
Really makes you think about the calibre of minds being applied to buzzy problem spaces these days, doesn't it?
Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by socalgal2 on Monday August 25, 2025 @07:18PM (#45020373)
do we know they didn't download the DB? Maybe the new traffic is the LLM reading the site? (not the training)

I don't know that LLMs read sites. I only know when I use one it tells me it's checking site X, Y, Z, thinking about the results, checking sites A, B, C etc.... I assumed it was actually reading the site on my behalf and not just referring to its internal training knowledge.

Like how people are training LLMs, and how often does each one scrap? From the outside, it feels like the big ones (ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, etc..) scrape only a few times a year at most.

Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by xp84 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @03:51PM (#45031480)
I would guess site operators can tell the difference between an exhaustive crawl and the targeted specific traffic I'd expect to see from an LLM checking sources on-demand. For one thing, the latter would have time-based patterns attributable to waking hours in the relevant parts of the world, whereas the exhaustive crawl traffic would probably be pretty constant all day and night.

Also to be clear I doubt those big guys are doing these crawls. I assume it's small startups who think they're gonna build a big dataset to sell or to train their own model.

Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by nitwit005 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:42PM (#45029833)
When you have a pile of funding, and you get told to do things quickly.
Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by 0x457 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @04:14PM (#45031767)
But the correct way (getting a sql dump) is faster?
Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me by nitwit005 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @07:06PM (#45033424)
Had to get the web scraper working for other websites.