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Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by CompoundEyes on Sunday August 24, 2025 @04:09PM (#45007331)
There are schemes happening in interviews too. I've been doing many technical interviews for a senior role with off shore candidates lately. They come to me after passing a challenging online test that has controls to check for browser focus lost, opening new tabs etc. I think you may have to have video on too. Even with that more than half of the candidates can't code.

It usually starts with them breathlessly reading from a script out of the corner of their eye. I'm ok with notes to make sure you hit some high points about yourself even in person. Nervousness shouldn't disqualify a talented person. But with the coding part I've gotten exasperated and started asking these senior candidates to share their screen and do a fizz buzz exercise live in a text editor. If they struggle I politely end the interview on the 15.

One candidate used some cheating technique to do the exercise which was interesting to watch. In the time I sent the message in Zoom chat and them sharing their screen, a few seconds, they had either queried it, LLM-ed it, used voice to LLM it by reading the question out loud, had someone off screen or in the same room listening in sharing the answer on another monitor I don't know. Whatever it was they turned their slightly to the side, squinted and typed the answer in Java. When asked what modulo was they didn't know and couldn't make any changes to it. It was wacky.

I'm waiting for the candidate who has someone behind them with the same shirt on pretending to be their arms.

Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by OptionOfT on Sunday August 24, 2025 @05:41PM (#45008066)
> They come to me after passing a challenging online test that has controls to check for browser focus lost, opening new tabs etc.

These are the absolute worst.

You're taking people out of their comfort zone (highly customized IDE like JetBrains / VSCode / Vim) which cause them to lose shortcuts and decently working intellisense. Yes, my TypeScript in my projects is configured in such a way that I get way more information from the compiler than the standard config. After all, you're testing my ability as a software engineer, not a code monkey, right?

In this very uncomfortable place there is no way of asking questions. Yes, sometimes stuff is ambiguous. I rather have someone who asks questions vs someone who guesses and gets it right.

The testing setup is horrible too. No feedback as to what part of the tests fail, just... fail.

No debugger. No way of adding log messages. When was the last time you've been in that situation at your workplace?

All under the pressure of time, and additional stress from the person that they really NEED a new job.

Oh, and when you use compiled languages, they're way slower than say TypeScript due to the compilation phase.

And then even when your score (comprised of x passed tests and y failed tests) is of passing grade there is a manager out there looking at how many times someone tabbed outside of the window/tab?

Where am I supposed to look up stuff? Do you know all of this information by heart: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/collections/struct.BTreeMap.ht...

Which reminded me that one time I used a function recently stabilized, but the Rust version used was about 8 versions behind. With that slow compilation cycle.

/sigh.

Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by twic on Sunday August 24, 2025 @06:46PM (#45008488)
The flip side is that the expectation is not very high. The interviewer knows you're not working in a proper professional coding environment, so they don't expect proper professional code. They do expect you to be able to produce basic working code without those tools, and to think about the problem, which does not require tools.
Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by spike021 on Sunday August 24, 2025 @08:00PM (#45008935)
>The interviewer knows you're not working in a proper professional coding environment, so they don't expect proper professional code

Everyone says this over the years, even before AI, and I've never felt it made the slightest difference in how they rate me.

Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by pragma_x on Sunday August 24, 2025 @07:38PM (#45008800)
FWIW, that's about where the bar is set with live coding exercises during a job interview. I've done this, both at a whiteboard, and online in a provided web sandbox.
Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by lispisok on Sunday August 24, 2025 @07:51PM (#45008877)
Have you considered using onshore candidates instead?
Re:Bring Back the Blue-Book Exam by Mountain_Skies on Sunday August 24, 2025 @08:41PM (#45009126)
Management would prefer that cheap labor burn the company to the ground than pay a fair wage. It's something more perverse than simply saving money.