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Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by codespin on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:46PM (#44978468)
Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought.

From the article "Muscles grow by lifting weights" yet we do that now as a hobby and not as a critical job. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where thinking is a gym like activity, however if you go back 200 years it would probably be difficult to explain the situation today to someone living in a world where most people are doing physical labor or using animals to do it.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by amdivia on Thursday August 21, 2025 @06:12PM (#44978728)
I doubt that would happen.

The engine provides artificial strength, granted, but AI does not provide artificial intelligence. It's a misnomer.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by potsandpans on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:42PM (#44980518)
The artificial intelligence doesn't provide artificial intelligence.

Ok.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by sn9 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:55PM (#44980588)
Your confusing the name of a thing with its nature.
Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by potsandpans on Thursday August 21, 2025 @11:04PM (#44980634)
I don't know about all of that.
Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by beacon473 on Friday August 22, 2025 @12:59AM (#44981137)
Artificial intelligence doesn't negate the need for human intelligence.

The jackhammer replaced the hammer and chisel for busting concrete, and the user's physical strength is important to both the manual and automated tool.

AI is a multiplayer to the user's intelligence, as the jackhammer is a multiplayer to physical strength.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by bdhcuidbebe on Friday August 22, 2025 @06:34AM (#44982858)
The point——

you

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by stevage on Thursday August 21, 2025 @07:02PM (#44979193)
>I'm not sure I want to live in a world where thinking is a gym like activity

That kind of describes the experience of retired people who do sudokus to stave off dementia. I suspect it's a bit akin to going from being a lumberjack to doing 10 squats a day though.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by pixl97 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @06:18PM (#44978773)
>back 200 years it would probably be difficult to explain the

"Almost everyone lives a life closer to that of nobility or the merchent class"

I'm sure the vast majority of the people from that time would rather live in ours if explained that way.

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by jesterson on Friday August 22, 2025 @01:00AM (#44981148)
> Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought.

Curious how the "AI" going to replace thought, as it is incapable if creating anything. Its just statistically matching data patterns for G-d's sake, don't make it something anything beyond that

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by anuramat on Friday August 22, 2025 @01:35AM (#44981315)
meanwhile you're not even doing it statistically, you're just (deterministically) parroting the same argument that was already bad taste 10 years ago

quantum mechanics is just linear algebra, chemistry is just quantum mechanics, biology is just chemistry, and thus human intelligence is just linear algebra, so what's the problem? what else do you want from a mathematical framework, other than the ability to describe the system you need to describe?

Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by belZaah on Friday August 22, 2025 @01:40AM (#44981344)
Engine scales without limits. There is no mechanism by which more engines in use lead to worse engines (leading to less use of engines). LLM output quality suffers heavily as the percentage of human-generated input drops. Which is what is happening right now as humans hand content production to machines.
Re:In the long run, LLMs make us dumber by 0points on Friday August 22, 2025 @03:26AM (#44981847)
> Which is what is happening right now as humans hand content production to machines.

I believe what's happening now is only a demonstration of people's misaligned perception.

The LLM's were never good. You were just impressed in that virgin moment and now you see the flaws more clearly when using other models.