Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by mindslight on Saturday August 16, 2025 @11:59PM
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Sure, that could be a decent legal regime. Of course the first step to enabling that would be releasing the source code and system documentation for the product they've sold, so that it's possible for anyone else besides themselves to fix it. Until then it's a black box the company has chosen to retain responsibility for. And frankly regulators should be making sure they support the 20-40 years of useful life we generally expect from automobiles.
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Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by thfuran on Sunday August 17, 2025 @12:06AM
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I think you significantly overestimate people’s expectations for automobiles.
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by mindslight on Sunday August 17, 2025 @01:10AM
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I'm not talking about individuals' expectations for how long they personally will use a given vehicle, but rather societal expectations for how long a given vehicle will live across all tiers of the market. The cell phone made-to-be-ewaste model shouldn't be allowed to infect capital assets costing 100x as much.
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by thfuran on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:16AM
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Yes, and the scrappage rate is about 4.5%. A 40 year old car is not the norm.
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by Dylan16807 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:32AM
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At 4.5% loss per year, you'd still have 16% of cars running at 40 years. That's pretty normal.
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by thfuran on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:55AM
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By that logic, shouldn’t about 25% of US persons be 150, given the annual death rate of 9.28 per thousand?
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by Dylan16807 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:00AM
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No. Humans age in a way that cars don't, so "that logic" would not attempt to apply the same curve to humans.
If you're done nitpicking, you're welcome to explain your number better. You forgot to say how to apply "4.5%". I'm sure an exponential fit has issues, but a linear fit would be much worse, and anything fancy needs more data points.
Re:Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity ...
by mindslight on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:35AM
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That's why I gave a range. That average stat actually seems to line up with the low end of that range, and since every car isn't scrapped at the same age it's going to be a distribution. There are not many cars from 1985 on the road today, but there sure are some. And since we're talking software which doesn't actually degrade, it shouldn't be the thing limiting the overall lifetime.