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Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by bigstrat2003 on Thursday August 14, 2025 @06:02PM (#44906211)
> we wouldn't be talking about Woz today if they had not paired up.

The exact same thing is true in reverse. Jobs was a phenomenal salesman, one of the greatest to ever live. But without someone to actually make the products (and Woz was phenomenal at that), he would've had nothing to sell. You need both the business guy and the product guy to have a successful partnership.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by Aunche on Thursday August 14, 2025 @06:57PM (#44906697)
> The exact same thing is true in reverse.

This is an odd thing to say when Steve Jobs achieved most of his success after parting ways with Woz. Jobs was the product guy at Apple. He laser focused on every detail to make sure that the experience was perfect.

Jobs wasn't an engineer, but there were plenty of talented engineers at Microsoft working for years on Windows Mobile (before Windows Phone) because it was so unintuitive. By contrast, the original iPhone was a decade ahead of it's time in terms of design. It had pinch-to-zoom, a proximity sensor to prevent accidental touches during calls, a light sensor that adjusted brightness, and an accelerometer for landscape and portrait mode. These features were originally considered gimmicks, but it turned out to be indispensable.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by MengerSponge on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:37PM (#44906995)
It's not enough to have great engineers. Imagine a world where Bret Victor gets hired by MS and spends five years in Redmond.

[O]rganizations which design systems (in the broad sense used here) are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by dchftcs on Thursday August 14, 2025 @09:13PM (#44907602)
Wozniak was indispensible in the early days. They had to survive first, and then Jobs could have a chance to thrive, and having someone like Wozniak greatly increased his chance of survival - it's not easy to find someone like that. That he continued to add much more value than Wozniak could to the business is another matter. There maybe many Jobs who died without being known because they could not find a strong partner.
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by pstuart on Thursday August 14, 2025 @06:06PM (#44906250)
Absolutely -- without Woz apple never would have been a glimmer in Jobs' eye.