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Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by 1718627440 on Thursday August 14, 2025 @05:31AM (#44898494)
When I honestly think you are a murder, is that not insulting to you?

When I honestly think I'm entitled to the money in the bank, does that mean I won't be judged?

If there are people that are atheists, because they have never heard of anyone telling them about god, then no that is not a sin. I doubt that applies to most people. Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by boxed on Thursday August 14, 2025 @09:38AM (#44900243)
> Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god.

That's not choice though. I can't become a believer in god anymore than I can sprout wings. I can't just start believing something false. No one can make a decision to believe something on will alone. That's not how brains work.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by 1718627440 on Thursday August 14, 2025 @09:56AM (#44900422)
> That's not choice though.

Plain disagree.

True, you can not come to believe in god on your own. Neither can god make you believe on his own. You can still pray for it.

Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist.

> No one can make a decision to believe

Yes, you can't. You can make the decision to search however.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by boxed on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:42AM (#44912316)
You, I mean you singular, can't decide to believe that 1+1=4. You know that it's not to the core of your being. There is literally no choice possible when the facts are in.

This is what it's like to be a strong atheist.

> Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist.

She did become a turturer of the most vulnerable people though. So... yea, I guess that's another type of argument against faith.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by 1718627440 on Friday August 15, 2025 @10:21AM (#44912779)
Yes of course. (Other than that math expression is a language and I could redefine symbols, but yes I see how it's not about symbols here.)

You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist).

You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice.

> She did become a turturer

What?

Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true?

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by boxed on Sunday August 17, 2025 @01:43AM (#44929169)
> You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist). > You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice.

You either missed the point entirely or are trying to obfuscate the issue. The cause of reason has no bearing at all. Reason and understanding are real things. Actually knowing something means you can't choose to believe the opposite. I can't choose to believe something I know is false. I can't choose to believe the sky is pink, or that rocks are soft, etc. That's nonsense.

> Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mothe...

She was a horrible horrible person.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by 1718627440 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:33AM (#44930533)
> The cause of reason has no bearing at all.

The cause of reason is what we call God. What you think that is, is very disputed, like I wrote in my previous comment.

When you think your God exists in the same way that the sky has a color, then I can assure you, that God doesn't exist. Atheists often take pride in rejecting "Gods" that a Christian also rejects and thinks they don't exist.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mothe...

That article presents multiple positions of that subject, I would probably side more with Leys there. Richness and poverty are not a goal in itself, but all means to an end. The poorest of the poor can have a richer life than a very rich. Mother Teresa was not a medical doctor and never claimed to be. She was treating peoples hearts, not their bodies.

The church doesn't think salvation means to be rich. Actually quite the opposite.

Re:1948: Catholic Church Publishes Final Edition of "Index L... by boxed on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @02:40AM (#44948873)
> She was treating peoples hearts, not their bodies.

She was prolonging suffering in others because she thought suffering was beautiful. But when she got sick herself she immediately and at great expense stopped her own suffering.