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Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by JimDabell on Monday August 11, 2025 @02:47AM (#44861366)
The reason why so many people believe this is because they have directly experienced situations where these consultants come in, understand less than the people who work there, and do a below-average job. It’s the idea that these consultants are hired for their capabilities that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by simianwords on Monday August 11, 2025 @02:50AM (#44861385)
I understand where you are coming from. Here you have two misaligned incentives.

You have people making coming from the outside, making decisions that would affect rank and file in a company. I think its natural for the rank and file to be biased towards believing in their own skills and dismissing outsiders.

Why would shareholders, the board and the CEO waste so much money on paying consultancies when the only value is being able to pass blame? Isn't it simply easier to believe that consultancies indeed provide valuable judgements and the price paid is worth it?

Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by notTooFarGone on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:10AM (#44861491)
Accountability sinks is the buzzword we are looking at here. It's to do something that is not easy to do in an organization due to major breaks in the current status quo.

The risk of doing one thing and complaints hampering the progress there is often too high which is why you give authority to a third party who will just do it regardless of feedback. One time breaks are necessary sometimes but can also be misused a lot for things employees want to do anyway. It's up to leadership to identify what is necessary and not generally possible with the current crew.

Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by simianwords on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:16AM (#44861526)
This doesn’t check out. The org hierarchy exists and accountability is placed at the right level in the hierarchy.
Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by fmajid on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @02:42AM (#44873122)
The term accountability sink was originally intended to describe how bureaucracies cover their asses from customers, regulators and employees, but certainly not from the company owners.
Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by dragonwriter on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:47AM (#44861694)
> Why would shareholders, the board and the CEO waste so much money on paying consultancies when the only value is being able to pass blame?

Management does it in large part to provide external validation (most importantly to the board and shareholders) of the decisions they sought to take anyway.

The board and shareholders accept it because the external validation works exactly the way management intends it to. (There's also cases where using independent consultants as part of some process is a compliance checkbox thing, and in those cases they are used for that specific reason.)

Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by JimDabell on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:27AM (#44861593)
You are assuming that decisions to hire consultants are driven by merit alone, that the outcome invariably matches what was desired, and dismissing any experience to the contrary as sour grapes. None of this is reasonable.
Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by simianwords on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:31AM (#44861615)
Please understand that I'm literally debating against a conspiracy theory. Sure some times they are not hired for merit but do you think all this is a pyramid scheme where massive amounts of money are wasted for no real value?

I'm the unreasonable one?

Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by JimDabell on Monday August 11, 2025 @03:38AM (#44861644)
> I'm literally debating against a conspiracy theory.

You’re debating against things people have directly experienced for themselves. You asked:

> Isn’t it just much simpler to accept that they indeed provide value in making good judgements?

It is not simpler to accept that when you have seen with your own two eyes multiple cases where they definitely were not making good judgements.

Re:"McKinsey in a Box": The End of Strategic Consulting? by fmajid on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @02:40AM (#44873116)
Critical distance is probably what you are alluding to.

Naked Capitalism had a good take on the impact of AI on McKinsey:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/08/wall-street-journal-...