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Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by johndhi on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @10:46AM (#44812746)
Can someone explain how the same group of countries can simultaneously issue book-long regulations about how everyone needs to respect privacy to the nth degree, and run around the world trying to force others to do the same, yet also propose these kinds of things?
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by thmsths on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:00AM (#44812937)
This is government 101. We tend to see governments as one big singular entity, this is rarely the case (and this especially true for a supra national organization like the EU with no real head of state). Instead you have different institutions with different goals that sometimes contradict each other. Then you have to account for multiple factions in those some institutions and you end up with what we currently have. The idea is that on the long run, if you average out the decisions/rules/regulation it is somewhat cohesive and leads to "good" governance.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by vaylian on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:07AM (#44813035)
Many politicians don't have a clue what the technical consequences will be. They just see that the law is meant to protect children and then they don't ask for clarification on the technical details.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by WhyNotHugo on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:43PM (#44814410)
I don't think anyone realistically believes that this helps save any children. That's just an excuse used to make it sound like there's some good intention behind it.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by fennecbutt on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @01:51PM (#44815299)
Nah they just see it as good ratings and votes. Most democratic politicians are in a popularity contest, doing objectively good things doesn't matter in the slightest in a democracy.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by domq on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:08PM (#44813906)
Simple. The former is economic warfare against the US, under pretense of the EU “parliament” giving a hoot about its constituents. The latter is plain old fascism.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by attila-lendvai on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @10:52AM (#44812829)
pretty simple: hypocrisy and lying from pathological personalities to gain more power, with a population fool enough to take them at face value.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by HSO on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:31AM (#44813378)
You mean the same people running around the world wagging their moralistic fingers and lecturing about yoomun wightz and libwal demokwafee sending arms, money, and diplomatic support to east european reject childbutchers in west asia, dancing and crowing about their atrocities on social media?

yea, no idea

Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by SoftTalker on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:01AM (#44812957)
Same reason US Congress usually exempts itself from the laws it passes.

Rules for thee but not for me. You can bet the MPs private messages will not be included.

Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by nickslaughter02 on Thursday August 07, 2025 @08:28AM (#44823591)
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by tene80i on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:03AM (#44812989)
Probably something like: Privacy is valuable, so corporations shouldn't be freely able to trade your data for advertising purposes. But CSAM leads to unimaginable harms carried out on vulnerable people, and so is worth giving up some privacy to stop/reduce.
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by domq on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:09PM (#44813932)
... You have no idea how the internet works do you. Why are you here?
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by tene80i on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:28PM (#44814217)
Well aren’t you a treat!

The question was what was their logic, how could they possibly believe these inconsistent things, so I’m offering what their logic might be. Not mine.

But even if it was what I think, your response is rude and thoughtless. I would like to imagine you can do better.

Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by saithound on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:06AM (#44813026)
Sure. Most countries in the European Union have elections every 4-5 years. Thanks to these elections, the set of people composing the EU's main executive body, the European Commission, changed radically over 9 years.

The EC of yesteryear preferred issuing book-long regulations about how everyone needs to respect privacy.

The EC of today prefers burning those regulations [1] and writes legislation about how everybody should scan all private messages.

No more surprising than the In 1998 Conference of Anglican bishops rejecting any sort of homosexual practice as incompatible with Scripture, and the 2023 one approving the blessing of same-sex unions.

[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-gdpr-privacy-law-europe-p...

Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by izacus on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @04:24PM (#44817331)
And yet people down this thread claim that EU isn't democratic ;)
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by FredPret on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:01AM (#44812961)
"Four legs good, two legs better" is how
Re:EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum by izacus on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @04:43PM (#44817588)
Sometimes I feel community here can be a bit deliberately obtuse, but "I don't want Google and other companies reading my mail, but I'm ok with police scanning messages to catch child molesters." really isn't a rare position in the wild. Or a contradictory one.

The privacy laws you talk about all also have carveouts for governmental, intelligence and military work. No matter the hand wringing here, most EU governments (and even citizens) don't consider privacy legislation to require equivalent footing for governments and for private corporations. A lot of EU citizens are fine with laws like GDPR not holding for law enforcement and other similar institutions. Despite the risks and history.