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Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by just-tom on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:12AM (#44794531)
While agents act on behalf of the user, they won't see nor click any ads; they won't sign-up to any newsletter; they won't buy the website owner a coffee. They don't act as humans just because humans triggered them. They simply take what they need and walk away.
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by Tokumei-no-hito on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:22AM (#44794565)
fair point.

where's the front page CF callout for google search agent? they wouldn't dare. i don't remember the shaming for ad and newsletter pop up blockers.

that being said, agree with you that sites are not being used the way they were intended. i think this is part of the evolution of the web. it all began with no monetization, then swung far too much into it to the point of abuse. and now legitimate content creators are stuck in the middle.

what i disagree on is that CF has the right to, again allegedly, shame perplexity on false information. especially when OAI is solving captchas and google is also "misusing" websites.

i wish i had an answer to how we can evolve the web sustainably. my main gripe is the shaming and virtue signaling.

Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by skybrian on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:34AM (#44794633)
As far as I know Google's bot respects robots.txt and doesn't try to evade detection?
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by Tokumei-no-hito on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:43AM (#44794682)
maybe. the allegations against perplexity are being challenged and i haven't seen any research on google agent. CF can demonstrate nonpartisanship, and gain credence for their claims against perplexity, by being transparent about other players in the space.

(as an aside, not to shift the goalpost to the elephant in the room, but i didn't see any blog posts on the shameless consumption of every single thing on the internet by OAI, google and anthropic. talk about misuse..)

Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by 1gn15 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @02:53AM (#44795039)
Do you have an ad-blocker? If so, should website owners be able to disable your ad-blocker via a setting they send to you? It's their content, after all.
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by Rebelgecko on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:54AM (#44795406)
As a frugal person it's frustrating when websites block me for using an ad blocker, but I also don't think publishers should be required to send me data
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by beardyw on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:31AM (#44795280)
They may, and do, refuse to send you the page. That is a more realistic parallel.

Without advertising the web would be largely unsupportable financially without per site subscriptions.

Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by skeledrew on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @11:34AM (#44799364)
Without advertising, the web would be a far healthier place today, free of click-bait and ad-infested, low effort, low quality content. Bad business models wouldn't've survived the light of day.
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by skybrian on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:33AM (#44794628)
Yep, also true of something like curl -s $url | llm --system 'summarize this article'
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by vouaobrasil on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:47AM (#44794705)
It's also true that you could dismantle a building with a hammer, which accomplishes the same as dynamite. So why not just sell dynamite at the local hardware store along with hammers?
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by skeledrew on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @11:26AM (#44799241)
Funnily enough this would also mean some humans are not human, like me. I exhibit that behavior exactly as well. Maybe I'm an agent acting on behalf of myself, whatever that means.
Re:Perplexity Response to Cloudflare by lofaszvanitt on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @02:31PM (#44815801)
And Cloudflare is the police entity to enforce this, right?