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Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by ChuckMcM on Saturday August 02, 2025 @11:37PM (#44773898)
An observation. If we stipulate that this is true that a 'senior developer' benefits from Claude Code but a junior developer do not. Then I'm wondering if that creates this gap where you have a bunch of newly minted '10x' engineers who are doing the work that a bunch of junior devs helped with, and now you're not training any new junior devs because they are unemployable. Is that correct?
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by pmg101 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @04:27AM (#44775052)
It already was the case wasn't it, that you could either get one senior dev to build your thing in a week, or give them a team of juniors and it would take the whole team 4 weeks and be worse.

Yet somehow companies continued to opt for the second approach. Something to do with status from headcount?

Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by oumua_don17 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @05:35AM (#44775333)
>> Something to do with status from headcount?

And usually projected as ensuring bus factor > 1

Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by itsalotoffun on Sunday August 03, 2025 @07:00AM (#44775689)
n=1 but my experience is the ratio of what'd I'd class "senior" devs (per the example given) to everyone else is comfortably 10:1.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by pmg101 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @08:55AM (#44776242)
Do you mean that for every 11 devs, 10 of them are "senior" as per the example? Or that only 1 is?
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by itsalotoffun on Sunday August 03, 2025 @09:14AM (#44776358)
1 senior to 10 everyone else. Sorry that wasn't super clear.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by wrs on Sunday August 03, 2025 @12:35PM (#44777731)
“Wasting” effort on juniors is where seniors come from. So that first approach is only valid at a sole proprietorship, at an early stage startup, or in an emergency.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by ChuckMcM on Sunday August 03, 2025 @12:45PM (#44777839)
Yes, there are companies that opt for broken organizations for a variety of reasons. The observation though is this; Does this lead to a world where the 'minimum' programmer is what we consider today to be a 'Senior Dev' ? It echoes the transition of machinists to operators of CAD/CAM workstations to operate machining centers, rather than hands on the dials of a mill or lathe. It certainly seems like it might make entering the field through a "coder camp" would no longer be practical.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by pmg101 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @01:29PM (#44778161)
It'll be interesting to see if in a decade when a whole cohort of juniors didn't get trained whether LLMs will be able to do the whole job. I'm guessing a lot of companies are willing to bet on yes.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by ifwinterco on Sunday August 03, 2025 @03:58PM (#44779235)
The issue is there's a kind of prisoner's dilemma going on - probably some people can see that there's a serious risk of still needing software engineers in 10 years' time and there not being enough because nobody is training juniors in 2025.

However, noticing this doesn't help because if you invest in training juniors in 2025 but nobody else does, someone else can just recruit them in 2030 and benefit from your investment

Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by CMCDragonkai on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:48AM (#44783720)
Yes exactly if workers can just up and leave and treat the job transactionally, that creates a race to the bottom. Workers have to train themselves then.
Re:6 Weeks of Claude Code by ChuckMcM on Sunday August 03, 2025 @02:04PM (#44778405)
As long as LLMs aren't the 'Cold Fusion' of this cycle, sure. :-)