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Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by userbinator on Saturday August 02, 2025 @05:10PM (#44771499)
And those with that intention are authoritarians that need to be kept out of government.
Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by jdiff on Saturday August 02, 2025 @06:03PM (#44772004)
Authoritarian has a definition, it's not just "people who make laws that keep me from doing what I want."

People in the USA still complain in the same way today about laws mandating seat belt usage, but it's still not authoritarian. It's a net positive for the wearer and everyone around them, and it's incredibly childish to push back on something for no other reason than because someone is telling you to do it.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by userbinator on Saturday August 02, 2025 @08:11PM (#44772911)
New Hampshire is a state with no seat belt laws, yet it's near the bottom of traffic fatality rates in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_road_de...

In the EU, Germany infamously has roads with no speed limits, but its traffic fatality rate isn't high either.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by petre on Sunday August 03, 2025 @12:23AM (#44774067)
The statistic is almost funny to looking at, seeing SC at the top of the list with 40% more fatalities as the next state.

Germany only has no speed limits on some Autobahns. But you mostly end up in a Stau or Baustelle anyway, so it's not that exciting.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by Ray20 on Saturday August 02, 2025 @09:15PM (#44773289)
>It's a net positive for the wearer and everyone around them

This is literally the argument autocrats use for any authoritarian law they pass.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by jdiff on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:52PM (#44803394)
There are many phrases, sentences, and concepts that don't generalize when you remove the facts at hand.
Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by perching_aix on Saturday August 02, 2025 @05:51PM (#44771911)
I don't claim to have the perfect definition for authoritarian behavior, but I would say that intending to consolidate authority is pretty key to it. Which making drivers' life miserable isn't really connected to, or at least I really don't see it.

Otherwise, the typical government is a central authority made up of people, carrying out lawmaking, adjudication, and enforcement activities [0], and so basically all of them could be characterized this way, with sufficient bad faith. So I'm not sure that's a very meaningful claim.

It definitely could be a misuse of power regardless though, but there's no evidence that I see in your comment that would suggest it was the officials in question misusing their powers rather than aligning with community sentiment or interests.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by Ray20 on Saturday August 02, 2025 @09:28PM (#44773348)
In my understanding, authoritarianism is not only defined by the desire to strengthen their own power, but also by the desire to bring the way of life of all other people in line with their own moral values.

For example, the persecution of homosexuals is widely recognized as an authoritarian behavior and has nothing to do with consolidate of authority

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by bitmasher9 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @02:09AM (#44774446)
The persecution of homosexuals absolutely has an impact on consolidating authority.

* Some of your political opponents will be homosexual, so it gives you an avenue to remove them. You can turn a blind eye to your political allies, if they are discrete.

* You can use the accusation to persecute anyone.

* It sets the frame that the authority governs every private aspect of your life.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by Ray20 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @01:02PM (#44777981)
Amazing mental gymnastics, literally every point is applicable to prosecution for not wearing a seat belt.

Only there are even more people who do not wear seat belts than practicing homosexuals, i.e. by your logic, a fine for not wearing a seat belt is MORE AUTHORITARIAN than the law on persecuting homosexuals.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by bitmasher9 on Sunday August 03, 2025 @02:00PM (#44778373)
Sorry, I was not making a point about the larger discussion about wearing a seatbelt.

While I agree that we shouldn’t have laws regulating seatbelt usage (for adults), I find your comparison disgusting and think it does more harm than good for gaining support.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by perching_aix on Sunday August 03, 2025 @08:31PM (#44781080)
> the persecution of homosexuals is widely recognized as an authoritarian behavior

I have unfortunately missed out on that then, because I both do not recognize it as authoritarian behavior, nor do I recognize that recognition to be widely established at all.

There is a distinct correlation between authoritarian regimes and homosexuals being persecuted that I'm also aware of, but this is absolutely the first time I've ever heard someone describe the persecution of homosexuals as an authoritarian behavior.

Maybe we read the phrase here different? When I read "authoritarian behavior" I do not read it as "behavior associated with authoritarians", but instead as "behavior that is authoritarian in its nature".

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by Ray20 on Monday August 04, 2025 @09:27AM (#44785485)
> nor do I recognize that recognition to be widely established at all.

> absolutely the first time I've ever heard someone describe the persecution of homosexuals as an authoritarian behavior

Google defines "authoritarian" even more broadly than I do:

> favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

So I would say that that recognition is established extremely wide.

Re:No traffic deaths in Helsinki for a year by Muromec on Saturday August 02, 2025 @05:23PM (#44771651)
But Finland is a democracy. People clearly voted for it.