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Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @08:35AM (#44722549)
Good faith argumentation, or really argumentation in general, went out the window when you started treating whether syntax matters (for this language and in general) as a universal truth / (binary) logical statement rather than just an opinion.
Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by mindcandy on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @12:58PM (#44725739)
One of the greatest problems in argumentation over the internet is that people gravitate towards acting as if every statement is intended to define a universal truth so they can argue against that strawman.
Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @02:53PM (#44726991)
I don't think (or rather, want to think) that people are being intentionally malicious. Instead, I think this is a scaling issue. Natural language being scaled in ways it isn't prepared to (e.g. over the internet to random strangers from all walks of life with very different intentions).

I've been looking for platforms where one can maybe more formally encode their thoughts, so that the argumentation and debating skill barrier is lowered / eliminated, along with manipulation. And I did find some, but they don't quite hit the spot, and even if they did, people aren't really on them, so it doesn't matter sadly.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by jibal on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @06:31PM (#44729012)
Indeed; thank you. That's certainly what happened here, together with ad hominem whataboutism.

P.S. "please do flag and downvote rather."

I don't have that capability, else I would certainly use it.

"Surely you can appreciate that their comment was not written in agreement with or support for you"

No, I disagree; I think that is exactly what it was--the subject of the comment was your comment, not mine--you wrote of my statement as being a universal truth, not v.v.

Unsurprisingly, on every point where you and I disagree, I think that I am right and you are wrong.

I think it is best that, from now on, neither of us speak to or about each other.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @08:02PM (#44729652)
If you truly feel that way, please do flag and downvote rather. Surely you can appreciate that their comment was not written in agreement with or in support of you, and that hijacking their thoughts to sarcastically taunt me really doesn't serve you, your point, or this community. At least I certainly struggle to find what's good faith about this comment of yours specifically.

Edit:

> No, I disagree;

Sure, costs me nothing to take your word for it. Definitely came across like that to me though, so if that was not intentional, maybe it's something for your later consideration.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by jibal on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @06:02PM (#44728779)
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Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by dang on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @07:17PM (#44729354)
I appreciate your good intentions re the site guidelines! But I'm afraid you've been breaking them multiple times in this thread by being much too aggressive with other users. This post is one example, and here are two others:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44728708

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44722043

It's laudable to want work like Pony to get discussed in terms of the most interesting things about it, but the best way to do this is to describe and explain more of what's interesting. It's not helpful to comment about how bad other comments are, and certainly not to cross into attack. Those things feed flamewars, as unfortunately happened badly in this thread. That's what we're most trying to avoid.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by jibal on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @08:01PM (#44729648)
All I see is that I've been personally attacked and mischaracterized. If I could downvote such comments I would do that rather than respond. Calling my response here aggressive or an attack is simply not factual, it is hypervigilance against me. Where is your criticism of "Good faith argumentation, or really argumentation in general, went out the window when you started treating whether syntax matters (for this language and in general) as a universal truth / (binary) logical statement rather than just an opinion." ?? I can't flag that outrageous personal attack and no one else has.

As for Pony, I'm not here to defend it or explain it ... I simply responded to casual dismissals of it on trivial grounds.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @08:15PM (#44729722)
I really did not mean it as a personal attack, apologies if it came across that way.

> I can't flag that outrageous personal attack and no one else has.

Why wouldn't you be able to flag it? And there's no flagged counter, it's not possible for ordinary users to tell how many times a post has been flagged or not.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by Twirrim on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @12:01PM (#44735941)
> All I see is that I've been personally attacked and mischaracterized.

I think there is a fundamental gap in communication. Your actual point is not coming across at all, anywhere in this thread.

That's why you're getting downvoted.

"For Pony in particular, the syntax is not important ... it's simply not the point of the language."

You said that in direct response to someone who was wanting to see the syntax. While I do appreciate that it's not strictly speaking necessary in the context of your reply, it doesn't communicate at all why syntax isn't important to the pony language. You're just making a definitive statement unsupported by anything. Context or even a brief explanation would have been extremely helpful and almost certainly avoided all of this fuss. Your response, given without any context as to why syntax isn't important for pony, was actually harmful, rather than useful.

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @06:42PM (#44729104)
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Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by dang on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @07:21PM (#44729382)
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN, no matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. It just makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Pony: An actor-model, capabilities-secure, high-performan... by perching_aix on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @07:24PM (#44729396)
Apologies. Been trying to work on it, it's not easy.