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Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by calmbonsai on Monday July 28, 2025 @04:45PM (#44715402)
IDF fired on World Central Kitchen workers April of 2024 so this, sadly, isn't surprising. At least more and more video is, finally, coming out vividly capturing these atrocities.
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by lawlessone on Monday July 28, 2025 @04:54PM (#44715516)
When they accidently shot those three hostages escaping that should have been the moment more people realized all this talk about acting on intelligence was just marketing.
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by mandmandam on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:08PM (#44716318)
Hind Rajab being used as bait to murder aid workers was kind of a tell also.

Or when they bombed all the hospitals [0], or targeted pediatricians and oncologists, and their families [1] for assassination.

Or leaving preemie babies to rot and be eaten by wild dogs at Al Nasr [2].

Or when they dropped over 6 Hiroshimas worth of explosives [3] onto an area roughly equal to a 12 x 12 mile square, populated with over a million children - in Biden's term alone.

There's a lot more. Suffice to say that anyone paying attention has known that the US, Israel, Germany, England and more have been propping up a genocide for quite some time now.

0 - https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countrie...

1 - https://abcnews.go.com/International/gaza-pediatrician-mothe...

2 - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-de...

3 - https://www.bradford.ac.uk/news/archive/2025/gaza-bombing-eq...

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Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by petsfed on Monday July 28, 2025 @07:18PM (#44716960)
You understand that you just said "they're the monsters for using human shields, but not us for shooting through the human shields", right?

Make no mistake, its 100% a war crime to use civilians as human shields. But that doesn't magically absolve the IDF of also committing a war crime. And if they can't meet their military objectives without committing war crimes, maybe that's a sign. In any case, bombing a hospital to kill a terrorist is a very efficient tactic if your goal is to create more terrorists. If you learn nothing else from the UK's administration of Mandatory Palestine, learn that.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by aklein on Monday July 28, 2025 @10:41PM (#44718357)
Not a lawyer, but my understanding is civilian casualties are not unlawful (according to international law) when the target is legitimate (on the theory that it is otherwise impossible to legally fight a war with an enemy that hides behind its citizens). To be clear this is not to say war crimes are not also happening.
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by orthogonal-wren on Monday July 28, 2025 @11:52PM (#44718858)
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by mandmandam on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:19PM (#44716438)
> As a condition for joining the controlled tour, The New York Times agreed not to ... publish geographic details

> according to the Israeli military

> There are no known entrances to the tunnel within the hospital itself

> According to the World Health Organization, Israel has conducted at least 686 attacks on health facilities in Gaza since the start of the war, damaging at least 33 of Gaza’s 36 hospitals

> In other tunnels discovered by the Israeli military, soldiers have used Palestinians as human shields, sending them on ahead to scour for traps.

... You read this article as proof vindicating the IDF's version of events? ... Huh.

If anyone wants to see the full story for themselves they can read it at https://archive.ph/giBjP#selection-1185.0-1189.43

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by dralley on Monday July 28, 2025 @07:32PM (#44717099)
You can literally see both the tunnel and the hospital entrance in the picture NYT provides.
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by bigyabai on Monday July 28, 2025 @10:43PM (#44718367)
To echo the parent; it doesn't matter. It didn't matter 2 weeks ago when Israel killed 3 Catholics bombing a church.

The IDF's doctrinal destruction of civilian infrastructure and attacks on hostages are illegal under international law. If the target was entrenched personnel, then leveling a hospital reflects absolutely miserable trigger discipline on the IDF and their officer's behalf. It's not WWI anymore, if we can't agree on international accountability then we learn nothing from the horrors of our mistakes.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by dralley on Monday July 28, 2025 @11:44PM (#44718793)
It literally does matter. International law literally makes this exact distinction. And the very article we're commenting on states as much.

>Under the laws of war, a medical facility is considered a protected site that can be attacked only in very rare cases. If one side uses the site for military purposes, that may make it a legitimate target, but only if the risk to civilians is proportional to the military advantage created by the attack.

If you want to argue it's illegal, you have to make an argument that it's not proportional vis-a-vis the colocated military infrastructure, because otherwise international law says it's fair play in both letter and spirit. If they were completely off-limits then everybody would co-locate their military and humanitarian infrastructure without much thought - and the end result of that game would be worse for everyone. That's why international law is the way it is. Civilian infrastructure cannot be allowed to be used as protection for military infrastructure.

On that point - you would have a difficult time making a legal argument that hitting the edge of the parking lot (deliberately avoiding a strike to the hospital itself, and without doing significant structural damage to the hospital) to kill the Hamas #1 (at that time) was not proportional. If you want to make that argument with some other strike (like the church one) then go ahead - I'm extremely open to the idea that the IDF is crossing the line with many of their strikes - but that's a different argument than falsely saying that any strike next to civilian infrastructure is a war crime by default.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by mandmandam on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @02:34AM (#44719811)
If you want to bomb 33 out of 36 hospitals you should need better evidence than a single photo of a tunnel near a hospital. One which Israel built themselves in the 80s btw [0].

And let's not forget that Israel were caught lying about such evidence on multiple occasions in the past. Remember "the list" that was actually a calendar? Remember the MRI room storing 5 guns - or was it 6? Only recently, we had this: [1].

All local and foreign doctors have consistently denied all such IDF claims. All we have is the word of the IDF (while countless UN, HRW, eyewitness reports etc say otherwise).

We know for a fact that Israel have repeatedly targeted medical personnel in their clearly marked vehicles, such as during the Hind Rajab incident; or when they massacred a convoy and buried them in a mass unmarked grave, then claimed that their lights weren't on to 'justify' it until a recovered phone proved otherwise [2].

And we know, without a doubt, who does embed military infrastructure under hospitals and beside civilians. Israel [3].

If you are a real person, arguing in good faith, I urge you to consider how badly you have been lied to. It's never too late to wake up.

0 - https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-...

1 - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-16/israeli-video-claimed...

2 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo

3 - https://mmnews.tv/every-accusation-is-a-confession-idf-repor...

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by mandmandam on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @05:22AM (#44721065)
Just to clarify - are you referring to the tunnel which Israel built itself in the 80's [0]? The one which was admitted not to even connect to the hospital in your own article?

If so - were you aware that Israel built it?

Or have you been justifying the destruction of at least 33 hospitals, to us and to yourself, this entire time, based solely on that 'evidence'?

0 - https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-...

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by bigyabai on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:11PM (#44716353)
That doesn't exonerate anything, though. It shows Israel's willingness to put innocent lives in harm's way to plug potential future threats before they form. Threats they are overwhelmingly capable of deterring during transit, urban warfare or border conflicts.

The doctrinal violence against civilian infrastructure (Dahiya doctrine) and the deliberate homicide of hostages (Hannibal directive) are inexcusable no matter how many military brass it kills.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by NomDePlum on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:23PM (#44716474)
Holding up war crimes as a positive examples really just illustrated how far gone Israels actions have gone past any normal standard.

There is also no independent verification so it's debatable what the actual facts are. The IDF have long ago lost any right to be believed without that.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by dgan on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @02:30AM (#44719768)
that was definitely THE moment that shook my confidence in IDF's presumed professionalism; pretty unreal
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Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by ryoshoe on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:08PM (#44716308)
> And one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member

As far as I know this was the result of the IDF's own investigation so there's some conflict of interest

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by calmbonsai on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:10PM (#44716349)
That turned out not to be true.

Here's the latest Wikipedia entry on the event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Central_Kitchen_aid_conv...

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by hersko on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @10:49AM (#44724124)
Wikipedia is not reliable on the I/P conflict
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by asdefghyk on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @02:02AM (#44731246)
I would not trust a Wikipedia entry to be correct.
Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by cypherpunks01 on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:05PM (#44716285)
Oh wait, except that's not true.

Retired Maj Gen Yoav Har-Even described how the IDF's drone operators mistook an aid worker carrying a bag for a gunman, and then targeted one of the World Central Kitchen vehicles with a missile.

The IDF then described how two people escaped that vehicle and got into a second car, which was hit by another missile from a drone.

The military confirmed that there were survivors from the second explosion, who managed to get into the third vehicle - which was then also hit by a missile.

By the end, all the aid workers were dead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68742572

Agreed that bombing the 1st vehicle of aid workers was a mistake. Then bombing the 2nd vehicle was a mistake, and the 3rd vehicle bombing was also a mistake.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by vorpalhex on Monday July 28, 2025 @08:17PM (#44717481)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-01/israel-claims-targets...

In Dec 1 in 8 WCK workers were fired for Hamas ties

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/12/11/aid-group-fires-doze...

Even your link calls out that one of the vehicles that split from the convoy was carrying armed gunmen.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by cypherpunks01 on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @12:18AM (#44719010)
Sorry but there's zero point in providing justification for this. Even the IDF said "it was a mistake that followed a misidentification" and that it "it shouldn’t have happened" [1]. Everyone's in agreement on this point.

[1] https://x.com/IDF/status/1775290147426152931

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by JumpCrisscross on Monday July 28, 2025 @06:03PM (#44716263)
> one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member who had participated in Oct 7th

Source?

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by pram on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @04:01AM (#44720455)
It was “probably wrong” to kill 7 people in 3 different vehicles? How about when they did it again later in the year, and killed another 5 WCK workers? Crazy how it just kept happening.
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Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by Maxious on Monday July 28, 2025 @07:04PM (#44716836)
> The identification of the armed individuals on the convoy and near/in the WCK vehicles had not been done in a professional manner. The mindset involved in the decision making was wrong.

> It was inferred a number of times that not only had the gunmen associated with the WCK aid convoy exhibited tactics similar to Hamas, but that in fact ‘they were Hamas’.

> Head FFAM confirmed that only the video feed being used by the UAV operators was used to identify the gunmen as Hamas.

Re:‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF a... by DiogenesKynikos on Tuesday July 29, 2025 @04:42AM (#44720758)
You see an aid convoy - which you are 100% certain is a legitimate aid convoy, because they communicated with you - being escorted by armed security, and your response is to bomb the aid convoy? In what world is that justified?