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Re:Fun with gzip bombs and email clients by colechristensen on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @04:22PM (#44652552)
One of the things that will likely _characterize_ AGI are nondeterministic loops.

My bet is that if AGI is possible it will take a form that looks something like

    x_(n+1) = A * x_n (1 - x_n) 
Where x is a billions long vector and the parameters in A (sizeof(x)^2 ?) are trained and also tuned to have period 3 or nearly period three for a meta-stable near chaotic progression of x.

"Period three implies chaos" https://www.its.caltech.edu/~matilde/LiYorke.pdf

That is if AGI is possible at all without wetware.

Re:Fun with gzip bombs and email clients by Y_Y on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @05:18PM (#44653120)
Chaos isn't intelligence. Chaos is unmanageable growth in your solution space, the oppisite of what you want.
Re:Fun with gzip bombs and email clients by cyanydeez on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @06:40PM (#44653833)
Whats confusing to me is the dual use of the word entropy in both the physical science and in communication. The local minimums are some how stable in a world of increasing entropy. How do these local minimums ever form when there's such a large arrow of entropy.

Certainly intelligence is a reduction of entropy, but it's also certainly not stable. Just like cellular automata (https://record.umich.edu/articles/simple-rules-can-produce-c...), loops that are stable can't evolve, but loops that are unstable have too much entropy.

So, we're likely searching for a system thats meta stable within a small range of input entropy (physical) and output entropy (information).

Re:Fun with gzip bombs and email clients by colechristensen on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @05:33PM (#44653259)
There are theories and evidence that your brain operates hovering on the edge of the phase transition to chaos

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_brain_hypothesis

Re:Fun with gzip bombs and email clients by mindesc on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @06:12PM (#44653590)
If you have any system that tries to gravitate to a local minimum it is almost impossible to not make Newton's fractal with it. Classical feed forward network learning does pretty much look like newtons method to me. Please take a look into https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method