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Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by Aurornis on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @11:15AM (#44648078)
It took me a long time to realize that most people don’t make any effort to understand politics beyond surface level headlines.

A lot of people treat politics like they behave in the HN comment section: They see the headline, arrive at a conclusion based on previous assumptions, and head straight to the comment section to argue their side without ever even making an effort to read the article. With politics, politicians are experts at crafting headlines and sound bites that feed these people their confirmation bias and tickle the part of the brain that says this person is on your side.

I’ve had some success discussing issues with these people calmly and openly, adding facts one at a time until they realize the situation isn’t what they thought. There are a lot of “That can’t be right” lightbulbs going off as the facts start to conflict with their idea of how the world works. This goes for both extremes of the political spectrum, BTW.

Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by gilleain on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @11:36AM (#44648490)
A generous interpretation of this is that most of the time, people pay little attention to politics as they are busy with their daily lives : earning money, shopping for food, looking after their families, etc. Most people have neither the time or the inclination to even follow politics beyond the headlines, or think through the problems and their position.

This can be a problem when the political 'class' (politicians of course, but also media commentators, journalists, podcasters, whatever) do not realise this issue. Brexit is a classic example, where the UK prime minister called for a referendum possibly confident that 'no one' would actually vote yes.

Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by cogman10 on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @11:30AM (#44648364)
The problem is that politics, particularly in the US, tends to push people into binary thinking.

I certainly do not love the Trump admin and think Kamala would easily do better. However, that does not mean the Trump admin has done nothing I agree with. There are nice parts to the OBBB that directly benefit me. Further, I think the approach to H1Bs, removing the lottery and instead basing it on salary, is the right move.

I say this because regardless of admin, there's going to be things you like and dislike. What seems to happen is people get completely sucked in a media bubble which only reports the good or bad of their political opponents.

Even the worst and most evil world leaders in history did good or had some good policies. There's never been a pure evil or good leader. Unfortunately, people want to flatten the world and remove the nuance "if so and so did it, it must be good/bad".

Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by eldaisfish on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @11:36AM (#44648480)
a more appropriate way of looking at this would be incentives. Who, in the government, stands to benefit from revising the H1B system? Even if you agree with the action, you may not not agree with the motivation.

Your line of thinking is like saying that the British Raj was terrible for India, but the British built railways, which was a good thing. Good and bad do not exist in isolation. The British built railways in india so they could more effectively extract wealth, not out of the benevolence of their hearts. It is much the same with the US government.

Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by cogman10 on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @11:54AM (#44648778)
I disagree, outcome matters more than incentives IMO. Every policy and regulation will create winners and losers. The incentives for doing so matter in they drive which policies get written, but you can't use those incentives to determine if a policy is ultimately good or not.

Back to the british railway example. You are correct that it was there to more efficiently extract wealth (bad). But that does not mean that rails aren't hugely beneficial to the population in general. Roads in the US exist primarily to aid in rapid shipping, that doesn't mean roads are a bad thing because a company like Amazon gets the majority of the benefit.

It's a basically non-existent politician that does something purely out of the goodness of their own hearts. In a democracy, it's the role of the electorate to try and remove politicians from power who refuse to provide benefits to the citizens as a whole.

Re:The United States withdraws from UNESCO by psychoslave on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @01:45PM (#44650633)
Why should we expect otherwise, what land on hn is already crafted title as well after all, and once human are accustomized to some habits, they will have generally a hard time going out of routine.