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Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by EliRivers on Saturday September 01, 2012 @02:55PM (#4464701)
With driverless cars, the largest expense of taxis - the driver - disappears.

The driver of a taxi needs to make enough in a day to cover the periods when there are no fares, or travel from a low fare-density area back to the high fare-density areas (and in some regions with ridiculously constrained supply of taxis via "badges" or other such anti-competitive pro-monopoly legislation, to pay the ridiculous fee to just operate a cab).

With the drivers removed, you now have a fleet of taxis that can run 24 hours a day (minus maintenance etc.), cost zero to just sit and wait for a fare, and can be managed and coordinated easily to migrate across the changing fare-density regions throughout the day.

If the price and convenience goes down enough, various groups of people stop needing cars. They just use the "get me a cab" app on their smartphone (or just use the regular telephone) to get a cab when they need it. If this creates a positive feedback loop of cheaper & more convenient -> more people using it -> more taxis deploted -> cheaper & more convenient etc., then in some high-population areas, owning a car will become an unnecessary extravagance.

Operated automatically gives scope for further savings; heading from point A to point C via B, and someone in B is also going to C? You'll get offered a "share this ride for this discount" option.

All this leads, hopefully, to fewer cars needed to provide the same number of journeys, at lower cost. So, how do I go about shorting the car manufacturers? :p

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by protomyth on Saturday September 01, 2012 @03:40PM (#4464846)
The licensing medallion is the largest expense of taxis in many markets
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by georgemcbay on Saturday September 01, 2012 @04:45PM (#4465069)
I'm fully convinced self-driving cars will be sold commercially within the next 10 years. However, it is going to be a very long time until they are allowed on the road sans human (even if they are self-driven 99% of the time, I'm positive legislation will require a human behind the wheel at all times and car makers will have to attempt to enforce this technically), which puts a serious dent in your taxi plan.

You're right long term, but self-driving cars that are allowed to drive without any human behind the wheel is more like a 50 years out thing, IMO. Part of this is just cultural and political, and part of it is due to real technical challenges (there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI).

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by AndrusAsumets on Saturday September 01, 2012 @08:18PM (#4465614)
>You're right long term, but self-driving cars that are allowed to drive without any human behind the wheel is more like a 50 years out thing, IMO.

Why not just outsource the driver to, say Eastern Europe, Mexico or India? Rent out a room, buy bunch of computers, screens, tables, chairs, and then hire a bunch of "virtual drivers" with enough experience on the road to control those vehicles remotely. Furthermore, program the car to stop on the side of a road in case should it lose the wireless connectivity. I guess the ping could be a problem, but haven't most of the people driving on the roads today got slower reactions to events than 100-150ms? Later on, as the tech progresses, teach the software to direct the driving to that virtual driver on hold only when the "AI" wasn't be able to figure out the current situation.

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by EliRivers on Saturday September 01, 2012 @04:57PM (#4465107)
"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI"

I believe that any such situation that could not be dealt with by simply coming to a safe halt is currently very badly handled by humans. I believe that they could be better handled with the _current_ state of the art, let alone advances we see over the next few decades.

I'm not arguing that they could be perfectly handled; just that the machines can do better than the average meat-bag.

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by georgemcbay on Saturday September 01, 2012 @05:09PM (#4465143)
Even simply coming to a safe halt is problematic. What if some troll traps a self-driving car with a few empty cardboard boxes?
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by Retric on Saturday September 01, 2012 @05:57PM (#4465275)
It stays still until someone removes them. If it's a cab it's more than likely to simply call for help.
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by georgemcbay on Saturday September 01, 2012 @06:01PM (#4465285)
And while it is still, it is now an obstacle for other empty self driving cars. Soon the troll has blocked an entire intersection or freeway using a combination of empty boxes and other trapped self-driving cars.

You underestimate the effort a good troll would be willing to put into this.

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by rictic on Saturday September 01, 2012 @06:48PM (#4465409)
There are lots of simple things that one could do to a roadway to impede or endanger traffic. Consider, for example, the danger of leaving something sharp or slick on a tight turn where people often speed.

I've thought about this for a few years, and as near as I can tell it's either much harder than it seems, or there are fewer vandals than I'd have expected.

Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by nazgulnarsil on Saturday September 01, 2012 @06:03PM (#4465288)
the real test of driverless cars comes shortly after they start to become widely used. A driverless car will be forced into a trolley problem situation. That is, it will have to choose between hitting two things without the option to hit neither. Expect extreme scrutiny in the ensuing legal case.
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by mike-cardwell on Sunday September 02, 2012 @07:07AM (#4466745)
At least we'll be able to reliably determine the reason, and fix it if necessary, rather than relying on human testimony.
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by pdelgallego on Saturday September 01, 2012 @03:15PM (#4464765)
You forgot to mention another consequence, the return of the Luddites
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by EliRivers on Saturday September 01, 2012 @03:26PM (#4464796)
The majority of Westeners know the following about cars; turn the wheel thing to pick a direction, push one pedal to go faster and one to go slower. Some of them also know how to operate the stick thingy. Removing this tiny scrap of knowledge is hardly returning to Ludditehood.
Re:Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionis... by pdelgallego on Saturday September 01, 2012 @07:06PM (#4465451)
Not, but removing hundreds of thousands of taxi/truck drivers will do it