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Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by ben_w on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:25AM (#44633927)
> pickling, salting

Yes, but also my understanding is that the preservation technique of that name involves much more salt than modern palettes are willing to tolerate, and also salt itself was much more limited in supply.

Despite this, salt as a preservative was indeed critical to civilisation.

> fermenting

True, and also I want to say "blessed are the cheesemakers" etc. here. :)

Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by mik1998 on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:40AM (#44634032)
There's nothing intolerable about pickled vegetables. I eat them all the time
Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by ben_w on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:40AM (#44634426)
Properly picked, as in preserved and can be stored ambient for extended periods, or "pickled" as sold in a supermarket where the small print says "keep refrigerated after opening"?

I have been told there is a huge difference between the two.

Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by mapt on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:24AM (#44634811)
Qualify it as three types.

There are the fermented pickles

There are the pickles that get mixed with prefermented preservative (usually vinegar/salt) and pressure-canned

And then there are the pickles that get flash cooked or not cooked, mixed with preservative, and refrigerated for a limited time

Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by watwut on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @08:14AM (#44645902)
Traditional "properly picked" also had to ve consumed after being open or stored cold. Once you open it, backterias can get in and spread.

There is some difference in taste, due to modern additiomal conservants and minor changes in receipta, but not all that much.

Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by IAmBroom on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:44AM (#44634466)
That is why some salt-preserved foods are traditionally soaked before consumption: to remove the excess salt.
Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by cgannett on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:44AM (#44635714)
Also because salt itself was much more valuable back then you wouldn't have as much or even any salt in your fresh food so you use the "preserved in an intolerable amount of salt" food products with the unsalted food products to get a quite tolerable middle ground at consumption time. Mash potatoes and pickle bits mmm
Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by jimbokun on Monday July 21, 2025 @01:16PM (#44637709)
> Mash potatoes and pickle bits mmm

And thus potatoes and sauerkraut was born.

Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by ddoeth on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @12:06AM (#44730814)
While sauerkraut fermentation uses salt, the main technique preserving the cabbage is the fermentation and sauerkraut is thus not super salty (about 1% of the weight is salt)
Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by ben_w on Monday July 21, 2025 @01:24PM (#44637809)
Without the potatoes, they hadn't arrived from the Americas by this point.
Re:The Daily Life of a Medieval King by IAmBroom on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:34PM (#44639451)
Clearly, they meant rutabegas, turnips, and cabbages.