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Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by deanc on Saturday July 19, 2025 @05:20AM (#44613881)
The reality is the data that is gathered is so much more valuable and accurate if you gather consent when you are running a business. Defaulting to a minimal config is just not practical for most businesses either. The decisions that are made with proper tracking data have a real business impact (I can see it myself - working at a client with 7 figure monthly revenue).

Im fully supportive of consent, but the way it is implemented is impractical from everyone’s POV and I stand by that.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by bfg_9k on Saturday July 19, 2025 @06:06AM (#44614111)
Are you genuinely trying to defend businesses unnecessarily tracking users online? Why can't businesses sell their core product(s) and you know... not track users? If they did that, then they wouldn't need to implement a cookie banner.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by deanc on Saturday July 19, 2025 @06:25AM (#44614226)
Retargetting etc is massive revenue for online retailers. I support their right to do it if users consent to it. I don’t support their right to do it if users have not consented.

The conversation is not about my opinion on tracking, anyway. It’s about the impracticality of implementing the legislation that is hostile and time consuming for both website owners and users alike

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by owebmaster on Saturday July 19, 2025 @08:47AM (#44615060)
> Retargetting etc is massive revenue for online retailers

Drug trafficking, stealing, scams are massive revenue for gangs.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by JumpinJack_Cash on Saturday July 19, 2025 @06:38PM (#44620087)
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Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by owebmaster on Saturday July 19, 2025 @09:56PM (#44621227)
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by lcnielsen on Saturday July 19, 2025 @06:29AM (#44614240)
Plus with any kind of effort put into a standard browser setting you could easily have some granularity, like: accept anonymous ephemeral data collected to improve website, but not stuff shared with third parties, or anything collected for the purpose of tailoring content or recommendations for you.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @08:35AM (#44614993)
Are you genuinely acting this obtuse? what do you think walmart and every single retailer does when you walk into a physical store? it’s always constant monitoring to be able to provide a better customer experience. This doesn’t change with online, businesses want to improve their service and they need the data to do so.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by 1718627440 on Saturday July 19, 2025 @09:37AM (#44615374)
If you're talking about the same jurisdiction of this privacy laws, then this is illegal. Your are only allowed to retain videos for 24h and only use it for basically calling the police.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @01:20PM (#44617377)
walmart has sales associates running around gathering all those data points, as well as people standing around monitoring. Their “eyes” aren’t regulated.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by 1718627440 on Saturday July 19, 2025 @01:45PM (#44617618)
Walmart in the EU?
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @04:21PM (#44618997)
replace walmart with tesco or your eu retailer of choice, point still holds.

playing with semantics makes you sound smart though!

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by 1718627440 on Saturday July 19, 2025 @04:47PM (#44619233)
The question still stands then: Does it happen in Tesco in the EU? Because that is illegal.

The original idea was that it should be legal to track people, because it is ok in the analog world. But it really isn't and I'm glad it is illegal in the EU. I think it should be in the US also, but the EU can't change that and I have no right to have political influence about foreign countries so that doesn't matter.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @05:16PM (#44619493)
it’s illegal for Tesco to have any number of employees watching/monitoring/“tracking” in the store with their own eyes and using those in-store insights to drive better customer experiences?
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by 1718627440 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @02:09AM (#44622408)
Making statistics about sex, age, number of children, clothing choice, walking speed without consent, sounds illegal. I think it isn't forbidden for the company, but for the individual already, because that's voyeuristic behaviour.

Watching what is bought is fine, but walking around to do that is useless work, because you have that in the accounting/sales data already.

There is stuff like PayPal and now per company apps, that works the same as on the web: you need to first sign a contract. I would rather that to be cracked done on, but I see that it is difficult, because you can't forbid individual choice. But I think the incentive is that products become cheaper when you opt-in to data collection. This is already forbidden though, you can't combine consent with other benefits, then it isn't free consent anymore. I expect a lawsuit in the next decades.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Sunday July 20, 2025 @01:04PM (#44627086)
EXTREMELY curious to see where in EU law it states that a store creating internal reports based on purely VISUAL statistics that employees can observe like walking speed, sex, number of children, etc is illegal.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by owebmaster on Saturday July 19, 2025 @08:40AM (#44615030)
> it’s always constant monitoring to be able to provide a better customer experience

This part gave me a genuine laugh. Good joke.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @08:51AM (#44615088)
ah yes because walmart wants to harvest your in-store video data so they can eventually clone you right?

adjusts tinfoil hat

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by owebmaster on Saturday July 19, 2025 @11:28AM (#44616332)
yeah this one wasn't as funny.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by artathred on Saturday July 19, 2025 @01:20PM (#44617380)
I can see how it hits too close to home for you
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by user5534762135 on Saturday July 19, 2025 @05:34AM (#44613943)
That is only true if you agree with ad platforms that tracking ads are fundamentally required for businesses, which is trivially untrue for most enterprises. Forcing businesses to get off privacy violating tracking practices is good, and it's not the EU that's at fault for forcing companies to be open about ad networks' intransigence on that part.
Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by discreteevent on Saturday July 19, 2025 @06:09AM (#44614127)
> just not practical for most businesses

I don't think practical is the right word here. All the businesses in the world operated without tracking until the mid 90s.

Re:Meta says it wont sign Europe AI agreement, calling it gr... by ta1243 on Saturday July 19, 2025 @05:28AM (#44613917)
Why would I ever want to consent to you abusing my data?