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Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by andrewla on Friday July 18, 2025 @11:42AM (#44605993)
I comment elsewhere that he was not ID'ed because he was a protester, he was ID'ed because he threw a rock at someone.

It's the same question though; how many right will we be asked to give up in order to catch rock-throwing assailants.

I lean pretty heavily on privacy not being a right in the direct sense or the penumbral sense. That a company sells a product that uses facial identification is to me not super relevant. If they had shown the photo around the department, and to random people at the university, and someone said "I recognize that guy, he's so-and-so" then there would simply be no problem here. Similarly if someone was just browsing through old yearbook photos and recognized the face. The computer system allows this to happen at larger scale, but the same basic thing.

Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by conception on Friday July 18, 2025 @11:53AM (#44606167)
It’s the same basic thing as a spear being the same as a nuclear weapon. “They both kill people!”

Walking around with a photo versus walking around with a hundred million photos and asking everyone simultaneously should not be considered about the basic same thing.

Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by tptacek on Friday July 18, 2025 @12:16PM (#44606468)
It is very bad to throw spears at people, despite the existence of nuclear weapons.
Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by freedomben on Friday July 18, 2025 @01:53PM (#44607808)
Yes, but throwing a spear and detonating a nuclear weapon are not equal levels of violating. They're both on the spectrum, but there is still a big difference
Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by tptacek on Friday July 18, 2025 @02:08PM (#44607970)
I don't see how the spectrum is relevant. Murdering one person is not as bad as murdering 100. Still a murderer.
Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by chaps on Friday July 18, 2025 @03:13PM (#44608670)
In the context of criminal prosecution/litigation, there's an enormous difference between "murdering one person" vs "murdering 100". For limitless reasons!

Like, is a victim of life threatening domestic violence who shoots their abuser during an attack a "murderer"? Or is an abuser who killed their spouse in a rage a "murderer"? Obviously these are different and the prosecution/defense hash that out over a very, very long time.

Details matter. Ask any public defender.

Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by tptacek on Friday July 18, 2025 @03:33PM (#44608883)
Obviously mass murder is worse (and a more severe crime) than murdering one person, but I'm still lost as to what the existence of this spectrum has to do with the actual story. If you throw a rock at someone, being apprehended by the police is not the nuclear option.

Note that we're talking about murder because the comment that set this off tried to pass off "throwing spears" as benign comparatively. No it isn't!

Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by chaps on Friday July 18, 2025 @04:50PM (#44609686)
Think of it like gun/taser safety -- even an empty gun is treated as a loaded gun because of the significant risks. These systems have well-documented histories of leading to false arrests and ruining lives and families. When the risks are destroying someone's life, why isn't it treated with similar caution?

The spectrum stuff is about the likelihood of harm was my interpretation. Obviously we shouldn't be throwing spears, but there's probabilistic side of it that doesn't exist with nukes, and there's a spectrum between all of that with various probabilities of extents of harm. So if the harms of using these technologies intrinsically carries similar probabilistic risks (false arrests, elevated charges, etc), why not treat it as a risky object worthy of kicking someone off the range? I'm reminded of situations of waiting for the rangemaster to walk away so you can do something stupid and risky.

Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by tptacek on Friday July 18, 2025 @05:36PM (#44610098)
Right I'm still commenting on this thread just to make it clear that I think nukes are bad too.
Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by regularjack on Friday July 18, 2025 @12:55PM (#44607036)
The fact that you can do it in a larger scale is the problem
Re:NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinia... by unethical_ban on Friday July 18, 2025 @01:57PM (#44607849)
Do you genuinely not see the difference to society between cops putting in footwork to find someone, and being able to instantly find anyone they want for any reason with nearly zero effort?