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Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by WiseWeasel on Friday August 31, 2012 @12:27PM (#4460367)
I bet it won't fall that low. $4 would be valuing the company at about 10x their 2011 income of $1B, which is extremely low for a company expected to grow. I wouldn't expect to see a valuation under 20x, or about $7-8 per share. My guess is ~$10 per share is the floor on this one.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/01/facebooks-...

Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by cube13 on Friday August 31, 2012 @12:34PM (#4460403)
Is Facebook really expected to grow that much? Even counting the 13% or so fake accounts, they have around 800 million active accounts.

That's a bit over 10% of the world's population. They can't really get the growth that's expected with their P/E, especially because of the difficulties that they're having with getting higher returns/user. They can't grow their userbase by that much either.

Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by diego on Friday August 31, 2012 @12:43PM (#4460458)
What keeps the stock up is the idea that one day they may do something other than ads, and sell something to their user base.

I don't know if there is an example of a public internet company that was able to transition from being an ad-base business into selling stuff. The closest may be LinkedIn, who's selling recruiter tools and premium memberships. However, LinkedIn had been doing that before the IPO, as a relatively small company.

I'm skeptical that Facebook can pull this off in a reasonable time frame, but shareholders who are psychologically anchored to the IPO price are probably more optimistic.

Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by bunderbunder on Friday August 31, 2012 @01:15PM (#4460643)
What keeps the stock up is the idea that one day they may do something other than ads, and sell something to their user base.

Which sounds remarkably similar to the way people thought about companies during the dotcom boom: Get the users first, figure out how to make money off of them later. Facebook's admittedly got one key difference from companies during the dotcom heyday, which is that instead of a burn rate it has this thing called 'revenue'. But that aside, at least for a while investors seemed to have fallen back into the old trap of thinking that the monetary value of a user isn't somehow tied to the amount of income they provide.

Maybe Facebook will figure out something else. . . but if nobody's sure what that is right now then it's still an Underpants Gnomes[1] business model.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_(South_Park)

Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by rrreese on Friday August 31, 2012 @12:37PM (#4460429)
FB can grow either by increasing it user base as you suggest, or by monetizing it's users better. So if it say increases usage by 5x and monetization by 5x you are looking at a 25x multiplier. Will this happen, I have no idea.
Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by mikeryan on Friday August 31, 2012 @01:25PM (#4460695)
Unfortunately for Facebook, this is fighting a few trends. users numbers have gone down in the US and Britain [1] and mobile usage is going up [2], and Facebook is having a much harder time monetizing mobile over the web.

I agree with your general premise however, that Facebook's primary growth won't be on the user base, but needs to be on the revenue per subscriber numbers. This is going to really test one of the Valley's most recent premises, that building a massive user base will also create a massive business (Twitter, Instagram I'm looking at you...)

[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/8573340/Faceb...

[2] http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/05/09/facebook-t...

Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by nuclear_eclipse on Friday August 31, 2012 @01:30PM (#4460719)
We actually have (at last public announcement) 955 million monthly active users.
Re:FB new low (18.23), down 52% from 38 IPO price by antr on Friday August 31, 2012 @01:16PM (#4460646)
"expected to grow"

i'm still waiting for the famous growth numbers to be made public. everyone talks about growth, but FB has not made estimates/target numbers available.