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Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by ghssds on Thursday July 17, 2025 @10:42PM (#44600673)
What is the meaning of the word "rare" in the context of astronomy? It seems to me calling the object discussed in the article "rare" is about as logical as saying the Earth is rare: of course a single object is rare.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by dmix on Friday July 18, 2025 @12:44AM (#44601288)
Well there's a few thousand trans-neptunian objects that have been discovered. I presume rare here is for the orbit pattern being perfectly in sync with Neptune itself.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by adrian_b on Friday July 18, 2025 @12:59AM (#44601357)
There already are known many trans-neptunian bodies whose movements are synchronized with Neptune. Pluto is also among those.

However all the others are closer to Neptune, therefore the ratios between their revolution periods an that of Neptune are relatively small rational numbers, while for this new object the ratio is 10, which is much greater.

So for now, it is one such object among many, so it may be called "rare", at least until others are discovered. In any case it was unexpected that resonances still exist at such distances.

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by bradly on Friday July 18, 2025 @11:30AM (#44605810)
I noticed this in another article recently referring to interstellar comets as extremely rare, when what the author I think meant was interstellar comets in our solar system are rare.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by dreamcompiler on Thursday July 17, 2025 @11:34PM (#44600942)
3-body problems are fun and there are still potentially a ton of resonances that have never been found, and that cannot be found analytically. This seems to be one of those.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by TheHeasman on Friday July 18, 2025 @03:08AM (#44602030)
"The survey was designed to search for bodies with orbits that extend far above and below the plane of the Earth's orbit around the sun, part of the outer solar system that hasn’t been well-studied."

Christ. I didn't realise we hadn't looked at stuff not in Earth's plane. That's a tonne of space to explore, right in our own backyard.

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by Terr_ on Friday July 18, 2025 @03:36AM (#44602201)
Just because there's a lot of space doesn't mean there's a lot of stuff to find in it. :p
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by jajko on Friday July 18, 2025 @06:53AM (#44603248)
Sun's rotation over time sort of aligns everything on that plane (or maintains momentum from accretion disk), galaxies are mostly also in disc forms. Pluto is a bit of an outlier, I wonder if due to some ancient collision or some other force.

So yes its a vast space (2D -> 3D), but should be rather empty no?

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by svpk on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:58AM (#44603722)
In my understanding no. Observation of other star systems has shown that ours is somewhat anomalous in being aligned to a plane.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by dr_dshiv on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:55AM (#44604190)
Source?
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by Terr_ on Friday July 18, 2025 @02:25PM (#44608158)
AFAICT most of the systems we've found with >1 exoplanet resemble our own system, where the planets are moving in roughly the same plane. If you look at this catalogue [0], the "i" value refers to the inclination of the orbit as viewed from Earth, since the parent star's rotation is often unknown. Still, it can be used to compare planets with others in the same system.

The closest I can find to your claim is some stuff from 2010 [1] (many exoplanet discoveries ago) claiming that a significant portion of "hot jupiter" setups are weird.

[0] https://exoplanet.eu/catalog/

[1] https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1016/

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by kuschku on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:38AM (#44604036)
> Pluto is a bit of an outlier, I wonder if due to some ancient collision or some other force.

That's something most asteroids and trans-neptunian objects have in common, they're on eccentric orbits outside of the plane.

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by cnity on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:44AM (#44604090)
Well you might find, for example, a rare distant object in sync with Neptune.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by venusenvy47 on Friday July 18, 2025 @09:39AM (#44604536)
But isn't the Oort Cloud is a sphere around the sun? I've always wondered why the planets and Kuiper belt have a preferred disc, but Oort doesn't.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by yencabulator on Friday July 18, 2025 @01:31PM (#44607531)
One theory is that interactions and collisions (all scales: gas, dust, comet, planet) are what cause the participants to align in the direction of the original net angular momentum, and the Oort cloud is just too sparse to that have happened as much.

Oort dust clumped up to comet-size objects for sure, but that tended to happen for the particles that were already roughly in the same orbit. Looking at all orbits in the Oort cloud, they remained more random.

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by jsbisviewtiful on Friday July 18, 2025 @02:27PM (#44608189)
> but should be rather empty no?

JWST has already challenged a lot of our perceived notions about the cosmos. Always worth checking more thoroughly and reexamining our theories as technology advances.

Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by kgwxd on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:05AM (#44603771)
phew, i thought the CEO kisscam story made HN front page for a few words there.
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by phkahler on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:55AM (#44604184)
I thought such resonance was unstable. Isn't that the reason for the gaps in Saturn's rings?
Re:Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Nep... by nixass on Friday July 18, 2025 @01:35PM (#44607584)
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