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Re:I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It by jokoon on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:14AM (#44579876)
It's difficult to not do some whataboutism with Sudan.

It could also be seen as genocide against genocide because of oct 7: Egypt, iran and hamas have setup ugly conditions for this war.

The unwillingness of Hamas to disarm and liberate hostages made this war uglier than it should, and Palestinians would probably agree.

It's a bit true that Israel uses the Holocaust to justify what it's doing, to me that is historically understandable, but it doesn't justify everything either.

Those events are not happening in a vacuum. Hamas is an Iranian proxy at Israel's border. Imagine if the EU or the US had a border with an Iranian proxy, with jihadists etc.

I try to think what Israel could have done better. If Israel has been less aggressive in Gaza, Hamas would be much stronger and they would have more hostages.

I don't think there is a timeline where things could have been better.

Re:I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It by CjHuber on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @05:24AM (#44580320)
I honestly don‘t understand how someone can frame October 7 as genocidal. Gaza was a pressure cooker due to Israel’s inhumane treatment and something like this was to be expected, and I my opinion this was provoked to justify the collective punishment and weakening of not just hamas but the entire Palestinian population.

For years Netanyahu openly admitted he was “bolstering Hamas” with Qatari cash to sabotage a Palestinian state [1]

All in all, Israel’s historical pattern of leveraging crises for territorial or political gain makes it reasonable to suspect that they were less interested in preventing October 7 than in exploiting it

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjam...

Re:I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It by poulpy123 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @06:46AM (#44580732)
> how someone can frame October 7 as genocidal.

it's totally insane to frame a killing as despicable as it is like here as genocidal.